Red Tractor

[solo]

This will help stir the simmering pot https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...nfederation-about-uk-produced-cereals.338174/

 

[traineefarmer]

Judas 2 !!

Keep paying the protection racket and they will keep knocking on your door............


(I can see how fudged dairy farmers and the milk job is for RT though. Something needs to be done)

I'm sure you're being tongue in cheek, but creating a them and us situation within the community is not going to help. I'm tied to RT through sugar beet and a beef system geared to deadweight sales. Dropping either isn't an option as we have to remain in business to see this out the other side.

We can all fight this thing whatever side of the fence we're on.

 

[Grass And Grain]

This will help stir the simmering pot https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...nfederation-about-uk-produced-cereals.338174/

We've hopefully set them an interesting question.

 

[Tarw Coch]

We've hopefully set them an interesting question.

It’s going to make them think carefully how they word a reply

 

[Grass And Grain]

It’s going to make them think carefully how they word a reply

When someone is faced with a question and ultimatum like that, it's going to either have to be:-

'Yes, you're quite right, we'll change our rules immediately, thanks for pointing out our oversight '

Or, 'No, we're not changing our rules, we're going to continue to discriminate against the UK farmers (vs non-UK farmers) for absolutely no good reason at all'

It's not really any skin off their nose what they decide. It's RT who it will hurt.

 

[Steevo]

When someone is faced with a question and ultimatum like that, it's going to either have to be:-

'Yes, you're quite right, we'll change our rules immediately, thanks for pointing out our oversight '

Or, 'No, we're not changing our rules, we're going to continue to discriminate against the UK farmers (vs non-UK farmers) for absolutely no good reason at all'

It's not really any skin off their nose what they decide. It's RT who it will hurt.

Or they just waffle and waffle about how good they believe their brand is and how popular it is with end users and consumers. Brand awareness, added value etc etc. Lots more buzzword bingo I’m sure.

Essentially a “No” but they won’t say it by giving a straight answer like that.

 

[Sid]

Or they just waffle and waffle about how good they believe their brand is and how popular it is with end users and consumers. Brand awareness, added value etc etc. Lots more buzzword bingo I’m sure.

Essentially a “No” but they won’t say it by giving a straight answer like that.

15 mins of "sales pitch" on the RT consultation call Monday night

 

[steveR]

15 mins of "sales pitch" on the RT consultation call Monday night

Were you "sold" on their patter?

 

[Sid]

Were you "sold" on their patter?

I knew that the longer they talk for the less questioning they got, hence why I noted the timings!
Jim Moseley is even better at it!

 

[Grass And Grain]

Or they just waffle and waffle about how good they believe their brand is and how popular it is with end users and consumers. Brand awareness, added value etc etc. Lots more buzzword bingo I’m sure.

Essentially a “No” but they won’t say it by giving a straight answer like that.

Problem for AIC is, that how they decide to act over this matter, can have a potentially massive and negative impact on their milling customers who are members of their assurance schemes.

 

[steveR]

I knew that the longer they talk for the less questioning they got, hence why I noted the timings!
Jim Moseley is even better at it!

Almost a Filibuster approach...

 

[Brisel]

I knew that the longer they talk for the less questioning they got, hence why I noted the timings!
Jim Moseley is even better at it!

At least they are aware that they are under fire. That’s a start...

 

[Renaultman]

How long did it take?

Me? Probably about an hour but we had sent all the required documentation before hand. Our 4g at the grain store is atrocious, not sure whether that sped the job up or slowed it down.

 

[Renaultman]

At least they are aware that they are under fire. That’s a start...

I did mention to my assessor that a lot of farmers are very unhappy with the way it is going, after I knew I had passed of course.

 

[Chris F]

Reform in any of these bodies won't happen if they keep recruiting from within. It's all the same people moving around the jobs and they are all have the same agenda. This isn't just Red Tractor - its all of them.

Red Tractor won't change at all and will be defunct in 10 years. That is my prediction. Feel free to bookmark it.

Just seen this comment from a year ago. To show how badly Red Tractor have managed this situation - I am revising my estimate down to 3 years now. Has been a disaster of a year for them, all of their own making.

 

[Clive]

Just seen this comment from a year ago. To show how badly Red Tractor have managed this situation - I am revising my estimate down to 3 years now. Has been a disaster of a year for them, all of their own making.

I give them 12 months personally the rate of self destruct

ahbd will fall apart at the cereal vote (whenever they are brave enough to run one)

NFU will keep going ……… they have huge amounts of cash reserves but will be talking among themselves with zero credibility



all this could be avo by simply LISTENING to the farners that fund it all and DOING what they are asking for

 

[Grass And Grain]

Just seen this comment from a year ago. To show how badly Red Tractor have managed this situation - I am revising my estimate down to 3 years now. Has been a disaster of a year for them, all of their own making.

They spent ages discussing new rules. Thougt they'd got a good balance. Then massive backlash from farmers. Showed just how far out of touch they were.

We pointed out some major concerns. Vice-chairman called us "backstabbers" in written column of FW.

AHDB asked RT for a discussion to facilitate a level playingfield for grain. RT said they "saw no value in joining that discussion". AHDB then withdrew £40k of funding.

Then we complained AHDB had supported RT, which had resulted in levy payers having markets cut off, but imports could still access those markets.

Then AHDB stopped ALL THE FUNDING to RT. £250K !!!

Vice chairman of "backstabbers" fame now no longer on the RT board.

RT keep getting asked for comment on these events. They choose not to commemt. Wonder why?

Also dodgey advertising claims about "field to fork traceability"

Still no help or resoluion from RT to create a level playingfield. So umtil that happens, I suspect they'll continue to be under pressure.

You're right, not such a good year for RT.

 

[tullah]

They spent ages discussing new rules. Thougt they'd got a good balance. Then massive backlash from farmers. Showed just how far out of touch they were.

We pointed out some major concerns. Vice-chairman called us "backstabbers" in written column of FW.

AHDB asked RT for a discussion to facilitate a level playingfield for grain. RT said they "saw no value in joining that discussion". AHDB then withdrew £40k of funding.

Then we complained AHDB had supported RT, which had resulted in levy payers having markets cut off, but imports could still access those markets.

Then AHDB stopped ALL THE FUNDING to RT. £250K !!!

Vice chairman of "backstabbers" fame now no longer on the RT board.

RT keep getting asked for comment on these events. They choose not to commemt. Wonder why?

Also dodgey advertising claims about "field to fork traceability"

Still no help or resoluion from RT to create a level playingfield. So umtil that happens, I suspect they'll continue to be under pressure.

You're right, not such a good year for RT.

As Nfu own RT surely when ever one is about to type in the company name RT, one should pause and type in the owner who is the Nfu.

 

[Drillman]

They spent ages discussing new rules. Thougt they'd got a good balance. Then massive backlash from farmers. Showed just how far out of touch they were.

We pointed out some major concerns. Vice-chairman called us "backstabbers" in written column of FW.

AHDB asked RT for a discussion to facilitate a level playingfield for grain. RT said they "saw no value in joining that discussion". AHDB then withdrew £40k of funding.

Then we complained AHDB had supported RT, which had resulted in levy payers having markets cut off, but imports could still access those markets.

Then AHDB stopped ALL THE FUNDING to RT. £250K !!!

Vice chairman of "backstabbers" fame now no longer on the RT board.

RT keep getting asked for comment on these events. They choose not to commemt. Wonder why?

Also dodgey advertising claims about "field to fork traceability"

Still no help or resoluion from RT to create a level playingfield. So umtil that happens, I suspect they'll continue to be under pressure.

You're right, not such a good year for RT.

Then there is the chief exec saying millers prefer imported grains and also that red tractor doesn’t want to be more popular in farmers eyes.

which in effect means the head of the biggest UK assurance company has rubbished our product and effectively said they don’t care about the folks who pay them several million a year.

And now there sat there ignoring there ‘members’ who quite rightly are not best pleased about the way a private firm who has to be paid money to gain market access conducts itself!

I shall keep saying it- “a poor model on which to base a business”

 

[Grass And Grain]

Then there is the chief exec saying millers prefer imported grains and also that red tractor doesn’t want to be more popular in farmers eyes.

which in effect means the head of the biggest UK assurance company has rubbished our product and effectively said they don’t care about the folks who pay them several million a year.

And now there sat there ignoring there ‘members’ who quite rightly are not best pleased about the way a private firm who has to be paid money to gain market access conducts itself!

I shall keep saying it- “a poor model on which to base a business”

I'd forgotten about that little blooper.