Reduce your Fertiliser Costs by 20%

farenheit

Member
Location
Midlands
Can I ask if this is the same product:


The ingredients:
Organic Nitrogen (N) 4% Soluble organic Nitrogen (N) 4% Organic Carbon (C) of biological origin 12.5% Water soluble Boron (B) 0.02% Water soluble chelated Copper (Cu) 0.02% Water soluble chelated Iron (Fe) 0.05% Water soluble chelated Manganese (Mn) 0.

My apologies if this is not the same product, but if it is, I just don't see how such tiny additions of nutrients at such low rates are going to do much at all.

Since you've been good enough to join up on this forum (and pay to do so), could you possibly share the independent trials work you've done? And it really must be independent to have any value whatsoever. As someone above alluded to, there's very little regulation of this market, unlike pesticides. I believe that NIAB work has generally shown little to no yield effect from biostimulants, unless under low fungicide input systems.
 

EcoStim Limited

Member
Location
West Sussex
I'm sure you are. I'd still want to see the ingredients to be able to make an informed decision.

I know biostimulants are not a heavily regulated area and so I would want to know what I'm buying
That makes solid sense our manufacturing is certified to 9001, 14001 and 44001
Can I ask if this is the same product:


The ingredients:
Organic Nitrogen (N) 4% Soluble organic Nitrogen (N) 4% Organic Carbon (C) of biological origin 12.5% Water soluble Boron (B) 0.02% Water soluble chelated Copper (Cu) 0.02% Water soluble chelated Iron (Fe) 0.05% Water soluble chelated Manganese (Mn) 0.

My apologies if this is not the same product, but if it is, I just don't see how such tiny additions of nutrients at such low rates are going to do much at all.

Since you've been good enough to join up on this forum (and pay to do so), could you possibly share the independent trials work you've done? And it really must be independent to have any value whatsoever. As someone above alluded to, there's very little regulation of this market, unlike pesticides. I believe that NIAB work has generally shown little to no yield effect from biostimulants, unless under low fungicide input systems.
Can I ask if this is the same product:


The ingredients:
Organic Nitrogen (N) 4% Soluble organic Nitrogen (N) 4% Organic Carbon (C) of biological origin 12.5% Water soluble Boron (B) 0.02% Water soluble chelated Copper (Cu) 0.02% Water soluble chelated Iron (Fe) 0.05% Water soluble chelated Manganese (Mn) 0.

My apologies if this is not the same product, but if it is, I just don't see how such tiny additions of nutrients at such low rates are going to do much at all.

Since you've been good enough to join up on this forum (and pay to do so), could you possibly share the independent trials work you've done? And it really must be independent to have any value whatsoever. As someone above alluded to, there's very little regulation of this market, unlike pesticides. I believe that NIAB work has generally shown little to no yield effect from biostimulants, unless under low fungicide input systems.
Hi,

No, and it's the first I've seen it! We need to have a look at them!!


The product is a blend of plant materials and plant extracts. No alcohols or other phytotoxic solvents are used to make
the extracts, and we avoid any post extraction processing, so as to retain all the plant materials in their natural form.
We have developed the unique process, which remains our own proprietary technology.

The active agents, being predominantly plant secondary metabolites, are many and varied will include numerous flavonoids
and other polyphenols, amino acids, carboxylic acids, fatty acids, antioxidants, plant hormones, humectants and natural chelates.

Basically it is a blend of plant materials, produced by plants, for plants. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
That makes solid sense our manufacturing is certified to 9001, 14001 and 44001


Hi,

No, and it's the first I've seen it! We need to have a look at them!!


The product is a blend of plant materials and plant extracts. No alcohols or other phytotoxic solvents are used to make
the extracts, and we avoid any post extraction processing, so as to retain all the plant materials in their natural form.
We have developed the unique process, which remains our own proprietary technology.

The active agents, being predominantly plant secondary metabolites, are many and varied will include numerous flavonoids
and other polyphenols, amino acids, carboxylic acids, fatty acids, antioxidants, plant hormones, humectants and natural chelates.

Basically it is a blend of plant materials, produced by plants, for plants. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think you may need to change tac and disclose what is in this product to make much headway. I would imagine the cynics/‘once bitten twice shy’ on this forum will be having trouble reading your post through their rolled eyes.

Comments like “Basically it is a blend of plant materials, produced by plants, for plants. Nothing more, nothing less.” will do nothing but set the snake oil sensors going imo. 🤐
 

EcoStim Limited

Member
Location
West Sussex
I think you may need to change tac and disclose what is in this product to make much headway. I would imagine the cynics/‘once bitten twice shy’ on this forum will be having trouble reading your post through their rolled eyes.

Comments like “Basically it is a blend of plant materials, produced by plants, for plants. Nothing more, nothing less.” will do nothing but set the snake oil sensors going imo. 🤐
What your saying makes great sense but, it's the intellectual property, it is the value. It's like KFCs 11 spices or Cokes recipe, (yes we are tiny but black boxing the IP is essential)

The results we get have been great, we'll get the early adopters and in time maybe the others will come, I want the home market because the CBA is great and with the cost of ferts at present the ROI stands up even better!

On Fridays webinar (12 Nov at Noon) on EcoCereal one of the things we'll look at will be the Cost Benefit of using EcoCereal.
To join us book your (free) ticket https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ecostim-webinars-tickets-194532009477, it will give people a chance to get some of the science behind it and understand the ROI.

I'm on the road tomorrow but I'm in the office all day Wed if anyone whats a chat 01342 821 781.
Phil
 

farenheit

Member
Location
Midlands
What your saying makes great sense but, it's the intellectual property, it is the value. It's like KFCs 11 spices or Cokes recipe, (yes we are tiny but black boxing the IP is essential)

The results we get have been great, we'll get the early adopters and in time maybe the others will come, I want the home market because the CBA is great and with the cost of ferts at present the ROI stands up even better!

On Fridays webinar (12 Nov at Noon) on EcoCereal one of the things we'll look at will be the Cost Benefit of using EcoCereal.
To join us book your (free) ticket https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ecostim-webinars-tickets-194532009477, it will give people a chance to get some of the science behind it and understand the ROI.

I'm on the road tomorrow but I'm in the office all day Wed if anyone whats a chat 01342 821 781.
Phil
Can you link to the trials data?

Without it, applying a kilo per hectare of blended plant matter is not going to convince me. But I await to be proven wrong!

I look forward to hearing about the economics. It is for sale on farm marketplace (does @Clive get to know what’s in it before selling it??) at a price of £14 per kilo. With the 6 applications recommended that’s £84. And this is supposed to reduce fertiliser cost by 20%? 20% of most fertiliser bills would be around £40. Add the claimed 25% of fungicide bills and that would be another £25 and we are at £65… Is that saving before or after the £84? And does that take into account the cost of applying spray 6 times? £84/hectare is an awful lot of money for a product that we don’t know what’s in it even if you are trying to “black box your ip “.
 
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EcoStim Limited

Member
Location
West Sussex
Can you link to the trials data?

Without it, applying a kilo per hectare of blended plant matter is not going to convince me. But I await to be proven wrong!

I look forward to hearing about the economics. It is for sale on farm marketplace (does @Clive get to know what’s in it before selling it??) at a price of £14 per kilo. With the 6 applications recommended that’s £84. And this is supposed to reduce fertiliser cost by 20%? 20% of most fertiliser bills would be around £40. Add the claimed 25% of fungicide bills and that would be another £25 and we are at £65… Is that saving before or after the £84? And does that take into account the cost of applying spray 6 times? £84/hectare is an awful lot of money for a product that we don’t know what’s in it even if you are trying to “black box your ip “.
Morning, back in the office today, https://ecostim.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/EcoStim-Case-Studies-21-DNS.pdf this will take you to a few case studies.
 

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Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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