Reduction rates for BPS 2021

[Farmer1001]

Published this morning.

 

[GeorgeK]

Never drop lobsters into boiling water. Put them in at room temperature and slowly bring it to the boil, that way they don't notice

 

[vantage]

Been happening in Wales for a few years now. The stick they use to beat us with will be very short soon!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Been happening in Wales for a few years now. The stick they use to beat us with will be very short soon!

The agony will soon be over then ,

 

[Still Farming]

Are people going to claim or try to sell entitlements ?
Value of them dropped ?

 

[Tarw Coch]

Been happening in Wales for a few years now. The stick they use to beat us with will be very short soon!

When SFP first came in I picked up a leaflet from Carver Knowles at the dairy event showing the difference in payment rates for a 1 million litre dairy farm in England and Wales, it showed that over 10 years the Welsh farm would be £100,000 better off!!!

 

[Still Farming]

When SFP first came in I picked up a leaflet from Carver Knowles at the dairy event showing the difference in payment rates for a 1 million litre dairy farm in England and Wales, it showed that over 10 years the Welsh farm would be £100,000 better off!!!

In reality more was it?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

When SFP first came in I picked up a leaflet from Carver Knowles at the dairy event showing the difference in payment rates for a 1 million litre dairy farm in England and Wales, it showed that over 10 years the Welsh farm would be £100,000 better off!!!

They've clawed it back since

 

[7610 super q]

When SFP first came in I picked up a leaflet from Carver Knowles at the dairy event showing the difference in payment rates for a 1 million litre dairy farm in England and Wales, it showed that over 10 years the Welsh farm would be £100,000 better off!!!

Ah, often wondered what they did with mine.

 

[Still Farming]

Published this morning.

Bigger you are the BIGGER you fall!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Im going too make myself a cup of my Favourite Yorkshire Tea and have a sit down .
And if Jeremy dont like it then up yours

 

[Hindsight]

The end of farming?

The long read: For decades, the way we farm has been degrading land and destroying wildlife. Now there’s a revolution coming – but is it going to create more problems than it solves?

www.theguardian.com

 

[farmerm]

Published this morning.

Sorry but this is old news!! Must have been re-published this morning, those figures have been public information for some time now! What is still not clear is how the phasing out will work over the remaining phase out period... smaller claimants are taking a smaller hit next year but we all have to reach 100% cut by 2027 so those on say £29,000 have to average a 15% cut (of 2020 payment value) for each of the following 6 years whilst the big claimants take a bigger hit in 2021 but would average a 12.5% reduction each year after if we all face a straight line cut after year in following years.

So based on the published 2021 cuts and assuming straight line cuts after that.... so you can better understand what your remaining BPS payments look like I have done you a little spreadsheet......

(Updated figures)

And don't expect increased prices or lower costs to help out, it is coming at a time when food imports are set to increase in volume and reduce in cost whilst certain exports markets, such as lamb to Europe, are at serious risk....

Change is coming that is for certain, some sectors are in for a massacre and those who try bury their heads in the sand will be in for an unpleasant shock! British agriculture will soon be, for good or for bad, a very different industry to where we are today.

 

[robs1]

The end of farming?

The long read: For decades, the way we farm has been degrading land and destroying wildlife. Now there’s a revolution coming – but is it going to create more problems than it solves?

www.theguardian.com

Great until the public riots when there is no food for them to eat , lots of contradictions in that piece too, can the way we produce food change yes, can we use less chems hopefully yes, but a farmers prime job is to produce food until we get population numbers under control that isnt or cant change

 

[Farmer1001]

Sorry but this is old news!! Must have been re-published this morning, those figures have been public information for some time now! What is still not clear is how the phasing out will work over the remaining phase out period... smaller claimants are taking a smaller hit next year but we all have to reach 100% cut by 2027 so those on say £29,000 have to average a 15% cut (of 2020 payment value) for each of the following 6 years whilst the big claimants take a bigger hit in 2021 but would average a 12.5% reduction each year after if we all face a straight line cut after year in following years.

So based on the published 2021 cuts and assuming straight line cuts after that.... so you can better understand what your remaining BPS payments look like I have done you a little spreadsheet......

And don't expect increased prices or lower costs to help out, it is coming at a time when food imports are set to increase in volume and reduce in cost whilst certain exports markets, such as lamb to Europe, are at serious risk....

Change is coming that is for certain, some sectors are in for a massacre and those who try bury their heads in the sand will be in for an unpleasant shock! British agriculture will soon be, for good or for bad, a very different industry to where we are today.

You are correct, those figures have been banded around for some time, however these have been confirmed today under the minister and PM who is likely to oversee the transition, as such confirmed what we had been previously notified. It’s also been confirmed today as a drip feed of information related to ELMs coming out. And yes I reckon your cut program is about right based on what we know.

 

[neilo]

Been happening in Wales for a few years now. The stick they use to beat us with will be very short soon!

No it hasn’t. The reductions in Wales have been to align everyone to the same basic rate per hectare as the prolonged historical scheme was ended. For every farm that has seen a reduction, another will have seen a gradual increase.

England went through that same transition 5 years previously.

 

[Tarw Coch]

No it hasn’t. The reductions in Wales have been to align everyone to the same basic rate per hectare as the prolonged historical scheme was ended. For every farm that has seen a reduction, another will have seen a gradual increase.

England went through that same transition 5 years previously.

Thought it started 10 years previously in England, my comment earlier about a welsh dairy farmer being 100k better off for a million litres of production was based on the fact that England moved gradually over to an acreage based payment whereas wales stayed on historic.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

No it hasn’t. The reductions in Wales have been to align everyone to the same basic rate per hectare as the prolonged historical scheme was ended. For every farm that has seen a reduction, another will have seen a gradual increase.

England went through that same transition 5 years previously.

They seem too be getting a fair bit more in England . Has anyone got the comparison, ?

 

[neilo]

They seem too be getting a fair bit more in England . Has anyone got the comparison, ?

Lowland farms certainly are now, but that’s because of the FookedbytheUplands group, that meant a lot more money moved uphill in Wales, so spreading the total over more acres. A small number of upland Welsh farmers are wondering what to do with it all every December.

Oh, and we have the wonderful Farming Connect, designed to use the 15% modulation money that Welsh Government opted for.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Wales will never do any good with Labour in charge