Redundancy
- Thread starter Tractorgirl
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Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
I found that making folk redundant was even worse that getting rid of the cows - However I did manage to help secure future employment for them, with better prospects than had everything continued.
We already decided that they could stay in the houses as unless we decide to sell then that seemed the fairest option, we really don’t want to have to do this after so many years but because we have to as you say we want to be as fair as possible and as easy as possible for them as well.
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- roe valley
A friend of mines boss was made redundant due a management reshuffle he took the voluntary redundancy package. £470k and a car for three years. He was there since he was 16 and was the last person to get the "old contract" they had assumed he was on the newer one like everyone else. 53 retired had two weeks holiday walked into the same job for another company with more money. Mad.
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- Scottish Highlands
Point of clarification - you don’t make a person redundant, you make a role redundant. If the work is still being done by another person, then you haven’t made anything redundant and you’re unfairly dismissing the person.
Get advice, and do the right thing.
Get advice, and do the right thing.
- Location
- Suffolk, UK
If the members concerned have been working for you for 20 years and they are not skilled, perhaps you consider getting them up-skilled and with a view of taking on the roles you want to wind back from.
- Location
- Cumbria
I would advise your staff of your intentions confidentially, they may gain alternative employment in advance, so no need to pay out redundancy.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
I find it hard to believe that your workers are "unskilled"
- Location
- Suffolk, UK
was on my mind too....
The problem is that neither of them want to work with computers or anything “new”. The job we would be looking to contract out is the sowing which neither of them want to do!
- Location
- Suffolk, UK
That's sad. Well.. all of the above is good advice then.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
who needs a computer to sow wheat?
Fecking nonsense
- Location
- Suffolk, UK
tell you what, I sit at a bank of monitors all day, developing code, testing bugs and writing fixes... I'd much prefer to be on the farm right now...
- Location
- Hammerwich
You don;t need a solicitor, you need a specialist HR company to deal with the process if you have no internal skills or processes in place.
@Anthony Sutton (of Cream HR) has written some employment articles on here and is a specialist in HR. Worth a DM or call for sure and can manage the whole thing for you.
@Anthony Sutton (of Cream HR) has written some employment articles on here and is a specialist in HR. Worth a DM or call for sure and can manage the whole thing for you.
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- SG9
Am I correct it saying that if you make an employee redundant and they live in a tied residence they have a right to a life times occupation and it can take many years to raise the rental value unless they are already paying an upto date rental price for the property?
SRRC
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- Location
- West Somerset
No.
It depends on what's set out in their contract of employment, it's unlikely to grant this.
Tractorgirl.....good advice above, there's also ACAS and the various small business associations. Your employees should have a contract of employment, many will detail the redundancy procedures.
little_p
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- Location
- Powys / Herefordshire
Rarely works like that with long serving employees. As soon as employees realise that they are entitled to up to £15,750 redundancy pay they tend to hang to the end for dear life.
There is an expectations that employers enter into "meaningful consultation" with employees about potential redundancy situations and if everything goes wrong any talk of 'confidential' discussions is frowned upon by Employment Tribunals.
@Tractorgirl
Don't automatically assume that it is a potential redundancy situation.
Definitely talk to your Adviser about that neither of the workers are prepared to take on the sowing jobs. An employee can't just decide the new work isn't for them and opt for redundancy (pay), if you offer them "suitable alternative" work and they refuse it they effectively forego the right to redundancy (pay).
It may not even be a redundancy situation, from what you have said TUPE may apply under the "service provision change" criteria.
As others have said; get specialist advice (may even be cheaper that a Solicitor and likely to be more suited to your circumstances)
Our man left with the equivalent of nearly two years basic in his pocket.
I was still an arse.
I tell you this only because I hope you realise that however decently and sensitively you handle this, you will likely still be the bad'un.
Been there, had the tee shirt. Won the case, but never employed anyone since...
- Location
- Derbyshire
As has been said, get professional advice.
I have been on the receiving end of this recently, although not made redundant in the end, the process was a long drawn out job with very little info coming our way (more because our firm out source HR and couldn't get it right). Find a firm that specialise in redundancy not a general solicitor. Have open discussions with the workers and minute everything, giving them copies afterwards. Don't try and do it on the cheap as it will bite you later as my ex employer is now finding out as 2 of the lads are taking it further!!
As I said I was kept on, but 2 weeks later put my notice in as I had found a better job elsewhere and could only see my ex employer heading 1 way
I have been on the receiving end of this recently, although not made redundant in the end, the process was a long drawn out job with very little info coming our way (more because our firm out source HR and couldn't get it right). Find a firm that specialise in redundancy not a general solicitor. Have open discussions with the workers and minute everything, giving them copies afterwards. Don't try and do it on the cheap as it will bite you later as my ex employer is now finding out as 2 of the lads are taking it further!!
As I said I was kept on, but 2 weeks later put my notice in as I had found a better job elsewhere and could only see my ex employer heading 1 way
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