Refuse to pay your TV licence fee - UK Agriculture Fight back

[arcobob]

For a government to change previous law, it has to go through the full process , if it is in the manifesto the Lords cannot totally block it.
As I understand all Wuropean Law has to be incorporated into UK law by parliament and can be reversed, by the same process. Of course some of these laws were passed as they were agreed by treaty with Europe and repealing them would put us in defiance of signed treaties.
Not all European law that we have incorporated , is covered by treaty, far from it. Also very frequently we have passed laws which go far beyond what was required , so called gold plating.
I am not sure about the Human Rights legislation , which probably put us in this mess , due to its incompatibility with Common law. We certainly had an opt out, negotiated when we joined as it was one a of the basic requirements.
I cannot see parliament being in any hurry to remove any of the last 40. Years of legislation when we leave though

Thank you for your detailed reply which makes perfect sense and reinforces my understanding. Some previous posts on here gave the impression that with each change of government , or indeed after each general election, the slate was wiped clean and we started from square one again.

 

[Gong Farmer]

I'm a bit lost as the thread's gone all Brexit again, but it seems the OP is not so much talking about a direct stand-off, but a passive protest. Not so much driving without a licence, but more giving up driving so not having a licence. The whole TV viewing population is going that way anyway, licence revenue is falling but any promotion of the 'non-licence option' is very worthwhile.

There are drawbacks of course, like when recently Sky 'very kindly made the cricket world cup final available to everyone free-to-air'. Hmmm.

 

[Andy12345]

The BBC isn't biased.
A BBC journalist starts with a blank piece of paper. What goes on that paper, and becomes the script, is influenced by whoever has their ear from the outside world.
This makes the BBC markedly different from commercial TV and most print media, where the journalist starts with a piece of paper already sullied by the owners personal agenda.
It is the abject failure of UK ag to have the ear of the BBC that is the problem, not the BBC itself.
I was interviewed by BBC local radio earlier this week, and detected no bias in the style of the interview or the resultant broadcast.

I trust that no-one withholding their licence fee listens to BBC radio. For me this alone, most notably the World Service and 5live, justifies the licence fee.

A licence is not required to listen to the radio Fact!

 

[roscoe erf]

this is far worse that a bit of farmer bashing

 

[Tarw Coch]

A licence is not required to listen to the radio Fact!

I’m sure it was discussed on here a year or two back, something to do with places of employment needing a licence if they had a radio playing, possibly even for having radios in work vehicles, I can’t recall the details and won’t lose any sleep over it as I’m sure neither will others.

 

[Gong Farmer]

I think delilah's point was we should voluntarily fund radio services. Again though, plenty of other radio stations function without public funding (and don't get fooled by radio 5, they're no better than any other part of the BBC)

 

[delilah]

Apparently Vince Cable claims his free on expenses.

what, his Cable TV ?

 

[Steevo]

I’m sure it was discussed on here a year or two back, something to do with places of employment needing a licence if they had a radio playing, possibly even for having radios in work vehicles, I can’t recall the details and won’t lose any sleep over it as I’m sure neither will others.

That's PRS. All to do with royalties for performing artists.

 

[lazy farmer]

This forum/ echo chamber is getting huge and distasteful.
Good luck with getting unbiased news from elsewhere. But that really isn’t what the majority on here want is it ? They want news that agrees with them and that they agree with.
It’s just sad ,ignorant and terrifying.
I’m not even sure what the bbc did wrong this time.are they not supposed to report on the UN anymore?
Do people on here seriously think intensive agriculture in its current form is good for the planet ?

 

[arcobob]

I’m sure it was discussed on here a year or two back, something to do with places of employment needing a licence if they had a radio playing, possibly even for having radios in work vehicles, I can’t recall the details and won’t lose any sleep over it as I’m sure neither will others.

I think that is all about public performance broadcasting. In other words the place of work is a public place. Theoretically you can be prosecuted for driving along with your window down and your boom box on full blast. They phone me on a regular basis to ask if I play music on my retail premises to which my answer is always negative.

 

[Chae1]

Can chase it all they want.

 

[Macsky]

This forum/ echo chamber is getting huge and distasteful.
Good luck with getting unbiased news from elsewhere. But that really isn’t what the majority on here want is it ? They want news that agrees with them and that they agree with.
It’s just sad ,ignorant and terrifying.
I’m not even sure what the bbc did wrong this time.are they not supposed to report on the UN anymore?
Do people on here seriously think intensive agriculture in its current form is good for the planet ?

I struggle to believe that you cannot see the bias against livestock farming in the UK mainstream media, especially the BBC.

 

[Agrispeed]

I struggle to believe that you cannot see the bias against livestock farming in the UK mainstream media, especially the BBC.

The BBC might be free, but these organisations have a lot of money behind them and are not afraid of using it to push their agenda.

Guardian and OPP ink deal to pen stories – GHGGuru Blog

ghgguru.faculty.ucdavis.edu

 

[lazy farmer]

I struggle to believe that you cannot see the bias against livestock farming in the UK mainstream media, especially the BBC.

Just as I find it hard to comprehend how climate change and it’s causes are ignored and ridiculed in this
Place.

 

[Macsky]

Just as I find it hard to comprehend how climate change and it’s causes are ignored and ridiculed in this
Place.

For the record, do you believe that UK livestock production is a major driver of climate change?

 

[Tarw Coch]

Do people on here seriously think intensive agriculture in its current form is good for the planet ?

How do you define intensive agriculture?

 

[arcobob]

This forum/ echo chamber is getting huge and distasteful.
Good luck with getting unbiased news from elsewhere. But that really isn’t what the majority on here want is it ? They want news that agrees with them and that they agree with.
It’s just sad ,ignorant and terrifying.
I’m not even sure what the bbc did wrong this time.are they not supposed to report on the UN anymore?
Do people on here seriously think intensive agriculture in its current form is good for the planet ?

Intensive most things are probably bad for the planet. The big problem is increasing world population with an increasing demand for luxury goods and an increasing body of entrepreneurs cranking up polluting production to supply them. Where do we start? The population increase has always been a potential problem but the harsh reality is that famine and disease has had a regulatory effect in the past Today international aid helps to mitigate the effects. No attempts, other than perhaps where family size was regulated by law with severe penalties applied, has effectively limited population growth. Mrs Ghandi introduced the transistor radio gift to those who volunteered for vasectomy. I think the tranny makers were the only beneficiaries.
Now if you watch documentaries on the darkest corners of the earth the natives have mobile phones, electricity,satellite television and Man U shirts (Not a luxury in my opinion). They are now aware of the products that the rest of the world enjoys and want more of them. So we have a twofold problem that has no humane solution other than to keep ramping up supplies, particularly of food. Thus intensive everything.
I have been attacked for suggesting that veganism is unsustainable in this context with the counter argument that world population growth is unsustainable, not veganism. No constructive suggestion, either humane or inhumane has been put forward to solve the problem. Left to nature it will all resolve itself eventually but in the meantime we have to make choices while we are still in a position of control, intensive food production or mass starvation.
Your suggestion is?

 

[Macsky]

The vague use of the word ‘intensive’ is next to meaningless on its own, and gets banded around a lot. Intensive use of synthetic inputs, probably not a great thing, but intensive grassland management can be a very good thing......

 

[lazy farmer]

The vague use of the word ‘intensive’ is next to meaningless on its own, and gets banded around a lot. Intensive use of synthetic inputs, probably not a great thing, but intensive grassland management can be a very good thing......

Stocking rates above a cow per acre mine carbon.

 

[kiwi pom]

This forum/ echo chamber is getting huge and distasteful.
Good luck with getting unbiased news from elsewhere. But that really isn’t what the majority on here want is it ? They want news that agrees with them and that they agree with.
It’s just sad ,ignorant and terrifying.
I’m not even sure what the bbc did wrong this time.are they not supposed to report on the UN anymore?
Do people on here seriously think intensive agriculture in its current form is good for the planet ?

The media's been getting things wrong for years, just ask the science community how their work gets reported. Its just getting a bit close to home for farmers at the minute.
I'm not sure posting facts to bust myths helps though, it certainly hasn't in the past.
I've know idea if current food production is good for the planet, but it is necessary, we do need intensive Ag and I think things like GM are going to become very important in the future. If we can clean things up whilst maintaining production we certainly should but we cant reduce the amount of food that's produced.
I'm not a farmer but even I'm annoyed essential things like food production are always targeted, while other forms of pollution are totally ignored.