Regenerative Agriculture

Discussion in 'Direct Drilling General Discussion' started by Farmer Roy, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. Ill have to try some in that block i really like the idea of balsana. Does it have to runnto seed once a year or is it a perennial likethe white clover? Sorry fornthe basic questions i have read about it but forgotten most of it :oops: most of what ice read has been aboit growing it on its own seen very little about it in a grazing mix.
    Im going to have to start slowly just introducing some white and red clovers and see how it goes then add more and more stuff as i go along. Mostly so i dont upset the old people who dont like change :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: but ill get there. Ill hopefully have loads of useful legumes in with my tough reliable old PP in a few years :love::love:
     
  2. Here I can do what I like but at dads I share your pain :rolleyes:

    I want to start getting useful things other than grass growing in at least half our grass "paddocks" this season if I can. I wonder what @Great In Grass or @Kevtherev can supply at sensible cost? :whistle:

    On the 88 acres rented ground there are no fences and no water tanks (but there IS a water supply to the shed - tanks and fencing may follow in the next few years :sneaky:).

    Have you chaps any thoughts how to start the incorporation process if I were to run the flail topper through any excess herbage there?

    25 acres is in reygrass mixture taken as first cut silage with regrowth taken as hay. 16 acres will be drilled into maize for silage this year with a repeat of last year's trial of grass overseeding straight after drilling the maize but I may look to include clovers and other herbs this time. I don't want to swamp out the maize so it needs to get going ahead of the herbage but ideally I'd establish the mixed sward under it then flail top the lot after the maize silage is taken in September leaving the toppings to break down over winter (I can hear Dad now - "What the hell have you done THAT for?").
     
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  3. I think there is a thread here somewere about undersowing maize?
    A friend of mine who comes from Bolivia ised to grow maize and sow pumpkins and squashes underneath it to fatten pigs so im sure it could be done somehow. I think poaching from harvesting it was the main issue in the thread about it. The stuff in bolivia was harvested by hand so not really an issue there probably not relevant to what you want to know but interesring all the same.
    Would a flail cut low enough to slow the regrowth down in ryegrass? I saw a FB post somewere about someine who was cutting with a mower very close to the ground spinning some seeds on then putting sheep in to graze anything that grew after for a week or so and tread in the seeds. Seemed to work well but not sure if what grew back was just plain aftermath or the new seeds. He seemed convinced it had worked though.
     
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  4. For a first try it didn't go too badly..

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    A bit thin in places

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    so I will be looking to overseed in February or March with a herbage overseed. I aim to sow the grass sooner this year (the maize was at the 2 leaf stage when I broadcast the grass seed last spring meaning I couldn't harrow or roll it in).

    Live and learn (y)
     
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  5. Kevtherev

    Kevtherev Member

    Location:
    Welshpool Powys
    Yes Balansa is in stock with Hurrells there may be another few varieties in soon.
    Paradana was the only variety last year.
    Seems to like wetter conditions
    Look up the Balansa clover thread. @hendrebc
     
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  6. Thanks @Kevtherev ive read the balsana thread but forgotten most of what i read now :oops:
     
  7. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Location:
    Owaka, New Zealand
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    Sorry about dark pictures but it was only shortly past 5 am :smug:
    Plantain and Monty red clover courtesy of ruminant transfer (y)
     
  8. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Location:
    Owaka, New Zealand
    I think every year would be overkill tbh.
    Our paddocks are left one year in 3 as a minimum and seems to be enough for most species to build a seedbank - can't see a hard seeded clover as balansa being any different.
    That's my goal with mowing really, if I do it early I diminish the ability of the early heading species to reproduce (dogstail, vernal, fog, browntop) but the aftermath heading of the medium rotation ryegrass and timothy should be enough to push the sward composition the right way.
    That's the plan anyway.
     
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  9. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Location:
    Owaka, New Zealand
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    20 days of regrowth :cool: less than 20mm of rain, that's for sure!
     
  10. Finally caught up with this thread read the aricles and watched the videos some good stuff here (y)
    Just to contribute something back this is the FB group were i first heard of regenerative agriculture. Not sure how to make a link from fb so heres a screenshot instead its quite easy to find. Some useful and interesting things here Screenshot_2018-01-12-07-22-49.png
     
  11. Found it!
    Got a lot of catching up to do!
     
  12. Dead Rabbits

    Dead Rabbits Member

    Location:
    'Merica
    Someone actually has 60 head of milking Devons? Don't have Facebook
     
  13. Looks like it. Ill go have a proper read back
     
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  14. @Dead Rabbits heres screenshots of thar whole post. Seems they dont milk devons but will buy 4 jerseys to milk
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