Regnum Defende

Walterp

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Pembrokeshire
The most notable feature of the British isn't their tolerance, civility or good sense, but their weight - the majority of Brits are overweight or clinically obese. And all those fatties are conditioned to cheap and plentiful grub on demand.

It is why MI5 (motto: 'Regnum Defende') uses the 'four square meals' test to measure the seriousness of security threats to energy installations, fuel deliveries and food supplies - civilisation snaps very quickly when fat people miss several meal-times.

No one has yet explained to the lard-arses that the UK has, gradually, wound down its capacity for food production since the adoption of the CAP, in favour of relying upon other EU farmers to produce it for us - 61% domestically produced, 30% imported from the rest of the EU.

Every so often some UK politician mouths some platitude or other about 'food security' policy but, in truth, what we have been gradually accruing is a 'food insecurity' policy - we have out-sourced food production to other European countries that rate it more highly than we do (and are prepared to subsidise it accordingly).

It is impolite to point out, but incoming food supplies are about to be weaponised by the EU27, who recognise (even if we do not) our strategic weakness in this regard. The Government may, slowly, realise this but it cannot do anything to address it without creating the very panic it seeks to avoid. Rationing is infra dig.

UK food policy is, in reality, just as trapped as its Government - relying on others to produce much of our food is a source of national weakness, and so we should increase domestic production and incentivise farmers accordingly. The need to feed over-rides ideological objections to subsidies, and to a continuation and strengthening of the CAP that is its corollary.

Yet this is an unfashionable message - must we miss a few meals before we come off our high horse?
 
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Woolly

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W Wales
Good post. Threats to our food supply include global warming, war, nuclear contamination, pandemics, political blackmail, power outage, 'black sky' hazards, ......

As Walt reminds us, we are four square meals from anarchy.

Self-sufficiency in basic staples would seem sensible, as it does to the Chinese amongst others.

Why aren't our unions making more of food security? Perhaps because as you point out, that would imply subsidies, which are not 'on message' in Westminster?
 
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Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
Walter I think you are conflating several separate factors into making a point about UK farm production. May I offer a few comments that tease some of this apart while not disagreeing with the tenet of your OP.

Part, maybe a considerable factor involved with us (the royal us - me included) being overweight is the change in diet and lifestyle. Cheap grub is probably not the overriding factor - it is the wrong grub - with to many calories being consumed.

But my main point is you seem to ignore a major reason for the increased reliance on imported food and the EU 27 is our change of diet and removal of seasonality. Thus we consume fruit and veg from Southern Europe and elsewhere all year round. Gone are the days when the source of carbohydrate was the potato and bread alone. Pasta, rice, noodles are the source - and that ain't going to be produced in the UK in the short term anyway until climate change makes this years weather standard issue. And veg - being a Fen Lad there was tremendous choice 40 years ago, in summer Cauliflower and Cabbage, in winter Cabbage and for a treat Sprouts and Leeks. (facetious comment there). And now in every supermarket is a wide range of 'exotic' fruits and veg all year round. Oh and since the influx of those pesky East Europeans we have an excellent selection of Polish sausage which I am rather partial too - though I do secrete it in the shopping basket lest I look to be favouring the immigrants.

So, I presume the tenet of your OP is UK food security / balance of payments - but how are you going to educate a nation to not want Melons all year round, Asparagus in November and Broccoli in February. And to eat potatoes rather than rice and pasta - good heavens I am in potato fields or stores practically every day and my family especially children hardly ever eat a potato unless it is process and in a packet - yes, crisps! And more recently I face the ignominy of my wife eating only Sweet Potato (imported from the USA - and trump rabbits on about free trade - the Sweet Potato just shows produce something you are good at, folk want and cannot be produced at home and trade occurs) Ban the Sweet Potato - implement huge tariffs!!. My god how do you think that affects a fenman born below sea level with standard issue webbed feet and six toes who was fed potatoes before the breast!

I have listened to Leave Politicians say 'farmers will grow more food post brexit' well, yes, maybe but will I or anyone else want to eat what you can produce. I do as said on another thread wait to hear Mr Rees Mogg with a Churchillian speech inform the country that Calabrese (produced for 7 months of year in Spain) is off the UK menu and Spanish January strawberries are the product of an all encompassing EU superstate - though with the latter I would tend to agree as they are awful to eat.

Best wishes,
 
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caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
I've loaded plenty of fruit and veg on an artic, in days gone by, flown into Gatwick from all over.
Delivered to wholesale markets, supermarket distribution centres, on farm storage and pack houses
It might be more expensive. It might not. But what price luxury when one has money to burn.
Spain isn't the be all and end of.
 

ewald

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Arable Farmer
Location
Mid-Lincs
It has been said that any civilised and organised society is three meals away from anarchy - witness the stripping of supermarket shelves of staples at the first flurry of snow most winters.
Another issue is the supply of chemicals - many of our relied upon agrochems are produced from an alarmingly small number of factories around the world. Supply problems can be caused by a major incident in a chemical plant, or several closing for maintenance - hence the CO2 shortage earlier this summer. I suggest that this will be increasingly significant in an increasingly interlinked world economy.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
I've loaded plenty of fruit and veg on an artic, in days gone by, flown into Gatwick from all over.
Delivered to wholesale markets, supermarket distribution centres, on farm storage and pack houses
It might be more expensive. It might not. But what price luxury when one has money to burn.
Spain isn't the be all and end of.

Hi, indeed Spain is not the be all. Calabrese can be imported from elsewhere - at a price - and as such cutting Spanish winter production out would probably lead to product substitution with more UK produced winter veg (those cabbages and sprouts again) and increased price for Lettuce - out of UK season. Or the country has to import from next (non EU) country that has production at those times of year. Which would make such veg more expensive. Or frozen when UK can produce. The upshot I suggest is the countries diet would change of Spain we 'excluded' from the source it is today and price substitution arise. Be interesting.
 

Wolds Beef

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@Hindsight I am a wold lad, but just down the road they used to grow a lot of early tates at M le Fen. That does not happen now! Due to these awful Egyptian things!! The supermarkets have a lot to answer for but they will not alter there buying policies. I also have Staples as my neighbour who grow some of the veg they market on foreign soil!! They also have an AD plant which they also grow forage for!
WB
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Every day makes it sound more like the UK is preparing for a 21st century version of the Berlin airlift.:eek:

Yes it does seem somewhat apocalyptic! Will say the novel has developed more twists and turns and the overall plot developed than the trailers gave lie to before the first episode was aired on June 23 2016. I gather there may even be a future sequels. Rumour on the gossip pages is that Keira Knightley may play the role of PM.
 

Ashtree

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But if what I’m hearing is true you won’t be able to fly in and out of the UK, at least there was an agreed air corridor for Berlin.

Nobody will be looking to come in, so that’s that sorted.
Refugees bailing out, prefer the to use boats, or rafts or granny’s old bathtub etc ....
 

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