Remaining is better than Mrs Mays deal

Well, that’s another option I guess. Danger here is that JC and co’ get in and then heaven knows what will happen long term. Borrow and spend spend spend. I think we’ve seen the results of this before!


JC has ruled himself out .. we don't vote to get poorer .. so JC as an option on the ballot paper doesn't exist. :)
 

Honest john

Member
Location
Fenland
On your last point about redrawing the border, nationalist and unionists have been murdered and bombed each other for a long time because of that line.

If you were to go into a bordering area and ask such a question, you would get an idea of their opinion in about 3 seconds.

Things are pretty good in NI these days in comparison to a couple of decades ago, so I would suggest it would be best left as it is.
Brexit is a big enough risk to peace in NI, without adding extras.

Agreed,
But why is it such a hideous shape ?
 

dudders

Member
Location
East Sussex
Just confirmation the Brexieer MP's don't have a ruddy clue what they campaigned for.
Arch Brexiteer MP Nadine Dorries quoted:

"This is a very sad place to be,” she told Sky News. “But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.”

What on earth did she think leaving the EU
meant. I give up.:banghead:

Depends how you read it - it's sad to be saying goodbye - like leaving prison after 45 years inside. It's sad to lose our precious votes, our beloved MEPs and lovely commissioner - but we're aiming for higher things and need to get on. Cheer up.
 

dudders

Member
Location
East Sussex
Just a quick question, coz I genuinely don't know the answer: if it's so important to have free trade with the EU, why is virtually any manufactured product you care to buy in this country not only made in China but also cheaper than the same product made in the EU? Leaving aside cheap materials and slave labour, they have to ship their stuff halfway round the world, meet EU regulations, pay EU tariffs and they STILL get on the market cheapest. I may be missing something, but I just don't see that this free trade mantra is so important, when countries that don't enjoy this privilege are still competitive in the EU.

2 examples at 2 extremes: I just bought a vehicle lift, over a grand - Chinese. If I could have found a British or EU one, you can be sure it would have had a much heftier price tag, but it seems the Chinese product has run us right out of the ring. I just bought a jar of Vegemite - Australian. Cheaper than Marmite (and tastes better), but don't we make Marmite in this country? Just how are these countries hampered by not having a free trade deal with the EU?
 

mar

Member
Just a quick question, coz I genuinely don't know the answer: if it's so important to have free trade with the EU, why is virtually any manufactured product you care to buy in this country not only made in China but also cheaper than the same product made in the EU? Leaving aside cheap materials and slave labour, they have to ship their stuff halfway round the world, meet EU regulations, pay EU tariffs and they STILL get on the market cheapest. I may be missing something, but I just don't see that this free trade mantra is so important, when countries that don't enjoy this privilege are still competitive in the EU.

2 examples at 2 extremes: I just bought a vehicle lift, over a grand - Chinese. If I could have found a British or EU one, you can be sure it would have had a much heftier price tag, but it seems the Chinese product has run us right out of the ring. I just bought a jar of Vegemite - Australian. Cheaper than Marmite (and tastes better), but don't we make Marmite in this country? Just how are these countries hampered by not having a free trade deal with the EU?

I'm not sure how it all works but there is probably some other product/service that is widely available in China that comes from the EU, it could be something to do with banking for example
 
2 examples at 2 extremes: I just bought a vehicle lift, over a grand - Chinese. If I could have found a British or EU one, you can be sure it would have had a much heftier price tag, but it seems the Chinese product has run us right out of the ring. I just bought a jar of Vegemite - Australian. Cheaper than Marmite (and tastes better), but don't we make Marmite in this country? Just how are these countries hampered by not having a free trade deal with the EU?


China is different.

For multiple reasons .. for example the Chinese have some empty cities, which are in disrepair, apartments blocks falling down within 5 years but are used for speculative property investment. If you're interested in a video I will try to oblige.

I've also heard say that the Chinese don't bother with the cost of production in a Western sense. For example the cost of some production is picked up by the Chinese state.

On mulitple fronts the Chinese are stealing technology. It's been made very easy because Western companies have moved production to China & Korea .. then the Chinese state has the chance to commit company espionage on a countrywide scale.

For example the Chinese state is currently attempting to steal Computer memory & Microchip technology from the USA.

From a company point of view this state of affairs makes little sense. However from a Chinese country point of view for them to progress into a superpower they cannot be beholden to others technology. So they're stealing the technology to gain power and producing at low cost to destroy the Wests manufacturing base.

Money is afterall an arbitary system .. it holds no real material value. Whereas people, knowledge, land & resources cannot be replaced.
 

Farm buy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Just a quick question, coz I genuinely don't know the answer: if it's so important to have free trade with the EU, why is virtually any manufactured product you care to buy in this country not only made in China but also cheaper than the same product made in the EU? Leaving aside cheap materials and slave labour, they have to ship their stuff halfway round the world, meet EU regulations, pay EU tariffs and they STILL get on the market cheapest. I may be missing something, but I just don't see that this free trade mantra is so important, when countries that don't enjoy this privilege are still competitive in the EU.

2 examples at 2 extremes: I just bought a vehicle lift, over a grand - Chinese. If I could have found a British or EU one, you can be sure it would have had a much heftier price tag, but it seems the Chinese product has run us right out of the ring. I just bought a jar of Vegemite - Australian. Cheaper than Marmite (and tastes better), but don't we make Marmite in this country? Just how are these countries hampered by not having a free trade deal with the EU?
Very good points
 

Fragonard

Member
How can any voting system be justified if its results are not carried through ?
Best of 3 goes is it?
Have a raffle or wip round?
The whole voting system will not have any credibility if this is allowed to happen .
Have you your head buried in the sand for past 2 years?
It's very obviously not that simple.
 

Fragonard

Member
Labour keep saying we didn't vote to be poorer.

Yet every Labour government makes the UK bankrupt.

So by definition Labour should be banned from power forever.


A second vote gives those who currently have nothing a chance for everything whilst throwing Democracy on the bonfire.

I can understand those who like the EU having such an opinion, but given some of those who post here don't even LIVE in the UK and are fostering destruction of our Democracy and way of life.

Not a chance.

You've made your choice and will not even feel the repercussions of a second vote.
Such trash.
"Throwing democracy on the bonfire"
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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