Remember this figure: more than £18k per head

fudge

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I will say, I spent a Sunday night In a Swansea travel lodge, a few weeks back and was surprised on the Monday morning when there was a lady with two primary school age kids (dressed to go to school) who had obviously been there a long time. Well the 8 year old boy had been there long enough to show me how the tea machine worked😂
In fairness an eight year old could probably master a tea machine quicker than the average contributor to this forum 🙂
 
Figures from 2015, but I doubt the proportions have changed much...

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Which would you do away with @Danllan ?


Working Tax Credits shouldn't exist. People should be paid well for doing good jobs.

Housing Benefit shouldn't exist either. Government should be building housing for people that need it and giving low paid people good skills to remove the need for Working Tax Credits.

Housing = Greed at Council level.
 

oil barron

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The UK has, by generally recognised figures*, just over eleven million people on 'low incomes' / 'in poverty', and spends over £210 billions on welfare. That work out at over £18k per head - not per family, but for every single person in these categories, man, woman and child.

This being so how is it in any way possible that we still have 'poor' people? Take a typical family, two adults and two children, and there will be over £70k spent on them.

This is madness. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:






*meaning that neither HMG nor the Opposition challenge them
This is why you never take financial advice from a lawyer.
 

neilo

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Montgomeryshire
Setting aside what i would / wouldn't do away with, which probably isn't anywhere near as much as might think, ,y point in starting the thread is... that we could just GIVE £18k directly to all of the poor, and it would be problem solved.

You still have to devise a way of deciding who is ‘poor’ enough to be deserving of your charity though.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
This is why you never take financial advice from a lawyer.
You'll have to tell us which figure is wrong, which you won't, because they aren't...

Then all the people who administer the current system would be out of work🤔
I often wonder if that is the prime consideration for the civil service.

You still have to devise a way of deciding who is ‘poor’ enough to be deserving of your charity though.
Not my charity, public money; and we could take all those currently classed as such, put an appropriate division of the cash straight into their accounts and, hey presto, poverty would instantly cease to exist here.

Clearly there could be fine-tuning, if there were a family of five 'in poverty', it would be daft to give them £90k. Equally, someone with a need for a lot of care e.g. with a severe disability, would need more than just £18k for their needs.

But the fact and the point remains, we have funds allocated for over £18k per head for the 'poor', so how on Earth can we still have anyone who is 'poor'? !!!
 

czechmate

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You'll have to tell us which figure is wrong, which you won't, because they aren't...


I often wonder if that is the prime consideration for the civil service.


Not my charity, public money; and we could take all those currently classed as such, put an appropriate division of the cash straight into their accounts and, hey presto, poverty would instantly cease to exist here.

Clearly there could be fine-tuning, if there were a family of five 'in poverty', it would be daft to give them £90k. Equally, someone with a need for a lot of care e.g. with a severe disability, would need more than just £18k for their needs.

But the fact and the point remains, we have funds allocated for over £18k per head for the 'poor', so how on Earth can we still have anyone who is 'poor'? !!!

certainly, back in the communist day’s (CR) no one was unemployed, even if it meant giving people a job leaning on a broom
 

oil barron

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Aberdeenshire
Doesn’t our current Prime Minister have a “head of communications”? Not so different to leaning on broom. In fact someone leaning on a broom has a greater potential to do something useful.
Looking back, at least when the government employed folk to dig coal, we got some coal at the end of the day. Under Tony Blair they were employed to get in the way of industry. So maybe that nationalized coal wasn’t so uncompetitive at the end of the day.
 

oil barron

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Location
Aberdeenshire
You'll have to tell us which figure is wrong, which you won't, because they aren't...


I often wonder if that is the prime consideration for the civil service.


Not my charity, public money; and we could take all those currently classed as such, put an appropriate division of the cash straight into their accounts and, hey presto, poverty would instantly cease to exist here.

Clearly there could be fine-tuning, if there were a family of five 'in poverty', it would be daft to give them £90k. Equally, someone with a need for a lot of care e.g. with a severe disability, would need more than just £18k for their needs.

But the fact and the point remains, we have funds allocated for over £18k per head for the 'poor', so how on Earth can we still have anyone who is 'poor'? !!!
42% of the total budget is state pensions which can go to people who are not poor. 17% of the budget is for disability which doesn’t have to be poor. 3% on child credit, not necessarily poor. Obviously there are some poor pensioners, disabled, kids but could be 30-40% of your budget going to not poor folks.
Then within the poor budget 30% is housing which passes straight through to landlords and is heavily geared towards London. So the idea that there is £70k to give to a family of 4 on the dole in the North is nonsense.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
42% of the total budget is state pensions which can go to people who are not poor. 17% of the budget is for disability which doesn’t have to be poor. 3% on child credit, not necessarily poor. Obviously there are some poor pensioners, disabled, kids but could be 30-40% of your budget going to not poor folks.
Then within the poor budget 30% is housing which passes straight through to landlords and is heavily geared towards London. So the idea that there is £70k to give to a family of 4 on the dole in the North is nonsense.
Can't see where you're arguing with either the figures I gave or my suggestion that there is plenty of cash to go around. :scratchhead:
 

fudge

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Lincolnshire.
Or to put it another way 0.0004% of the figure written off by the government in the covid loan fraud fiasco. Another crime the Metropolitan Police won’t be investigating I wager.
 

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