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[Ffermer Bach]

Depending on what you read, the gut takes a fairly long time to recover from antibiotics. I think we will see a wholesale change in how these are prescribed IE more folk will just have to "tough it out" from minor infections.

I recently had a chest infection, and even though I don't like taking antibiotics I had a 10 day course of Pen & Strep (or something similar!), I asked the prescribing medic if I would be able to ride it out, and she said something like "at my age it would probably turn into pneumonia!"
So they definitely have a place, I guess the problem is it's very hard for a doctor to make a quick evaluation if it is viral or bacterial.

 

[organicguy]

Depending on what you read, the gut takes a fairly long time to recover from antibiotics. I think we will see a wholesale change in how these are prescribed IE more folk will just have to "tough it out" from minor infections.

Doctor friend said 6 to 9 months for the gut to recover!

 

[teslacoils]

I recently had a chest infection, and even though I don't like taking antibiotics I had a 10 day course of Pen & Strep (or something similar!), I asked the prescribing medic if I would be able to ride it out, and she said something like "at my age it would probably turn into pneumonia!"
So they definitely have a place, I guess the problem is it's very hard for a doctor to make a quick evaluation if it is viral or bacterial.

Indeed. I was in no way suggesting a world without them. Although like a lot of agchem, their effectiveness is reducing.

 

[melted welly]

Thats interesting, my son had severe ear infections as a child, bad enough for him not to hear properly for a few years and need speech therapy. He cannot take penicillin now (he is 24) as it will not work on any infection he picks up. He doesnt have ADHD etc but I am sure too much antibiotic didnt help him and we did try to limit its use as much as possible.

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Our youngest had a respiratory infection and then an eye infection within his first 4months of life. The doctor said that they “tended towards the veterinary approach” with young babies ie cover all the bases as he couldn’t communicate his symptoms and could go downhill very rapidly, so got 3 courses of antibiotics.

He is allergic to dairy, gluten, maize, nuts, eggs, soya……..theres more I don’t remember. We’re convinced this is due to the antibiotics on 2 levels:

1. his gut biom was severely damaged, and never recovered.
2. There’s research showing that if a body encounters potential allergen foodstuffs such as egg, dairy, via a healthy gut, they are recognised as food. However, if the first encounter is via bloodstream eg a carrier protein used in medication, then they are treated as allergens. And that’s where we ended up .

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I don't think the heating with microwaves is the problem so much as what crap processed food is being heated.... It is certain heating food with a microwave doesnt produce the potentially harmful acrylamide formed during toasting, roasting and frying..... As I do much prefer toasted, roasted and fried far more than microwaved that in itself probably means the microwave is the healthier option!

I don't believe microwaves are dangerous but I wouldn't be surprised if it is a contributory factor in one or more of our modern health problems.

Microwaves ;
"These waves can stimulate molecules in food, making them vibrate, spin around, and clash with each other — which turns the energy into heat.

This is similar to how your hands heat up when you rub them together.

Microwaves primarily affect water molecules but can also heat up fats and sugars — just to a lesser extent than water."

I think these vibrating, spinning molecules may interfere with the microbiome, especially when we don't seem to respect the old instructions to wait before consuming heated food.

I also wonder how these fats and sugars may be slightly altered which may have an affect on the way they act in our bodies.

Even this may not be a problem on its own but could combine with other factors creating an issue.

It's only my personal theory so should really be ignored !!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Doctor friend said 6 to 9 months for the gut to recover!

apparently that is what the appendix if for, to act as a repository for all the good bacteria, so if we get dysentery or something similar there is a repository to "reseed" the gut after.

 

[beardface]

ADHD has sweet f.a to do with what you feed them !

Brain development and brain function does though. It's a proven fact that children need high amounts of protein in there diet at a young age for their brains to become fully developed.

 

[Scrapjockey]

apparently that is what the appendix if for, to act as a repository for all the good bacteria, so if we get dysentery or something similar there is a repository to "reseed" the gut after.

Fecal transplant looks to be a help curing Crohn's disease.

 

[primmiemoo]

I recently had a chest infection, and even though I don't like taking antibiotics I had a 10 day course of Pen & Strep (or something similar!), I asked the prescribing medic if I would be able to ride it out, and she said something like "at my age it would probably turn into pneumonia!"
So they definitely have a place, I guess the problem is it's very hard for a doctor to make a quick evaluation if it is viral or bacterial.

If only Lateral Flow Tests were available to check whether viral or not. If only a quick test were available to determine which bacteria is the culprit for the infection...

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Fecal transplant looks to be a help curing Crohn's disease.

I think one firm calls them crapsules

crapsules – The Centre for Digestive Diseases

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Having said that, I think eating Asparagus (or possibly Leeks, Onions?) encourages the bacteria that are associated with being slim, so I am sure there must be other foods that can encourage bacteria that are good for other things.

I have read that having pig intestinal worms can stop Crohn's too. I know someone with chronic Crohn's, however when I mentioned eating live pig worms they were not that impressed with the idea!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

If only Lateral Flow Tests were available to check whether viral or not. If only a quick test were available to determine which bacteria is the culprit for the infection...

yes, I agree, do you think it will happen? The blunderbuss approach we have at the moment with antibiotics I think can do more harm than good.

 

[primmiemoo]

I cut my leg on a gate in August, got a bad infection, and had strong antibiotics twice, my guts still haven't fully recovered.

If you aren't knocking them back already, would you be up to try kimchi, sauerkraut, kefir, as a course of fermented food that helps repopulate and nurture the innards until they're bursting with life?

If you decide you've developed a taste for them, you could top up with various sorts for maintenance. Bio-live yoghurt is good for that, if scobies, etc don't appeal.

 

[primmiemoo]

yes, I agree, do you think it will happen? The blunderbuss approach we have at the moment with antibiotics I think can do more harm than good.

This might be a case for @ollie989898 ! For all I know, such things might be out for deployment as I type!

 

[ollie989898]

apparently that is what the appendix if for, to act as a repository for all the good bacteria, so if we get dysentery or something similar there is a repository to "reseed" the gut after.

I've never heard that. The appendix varies in people a lot, it's widely believed that it is a vestigial organ that doesn't function any longer but may have been used by our ancestors who had a more herbage based diet.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

If you aren't knocking them back already, would you be up to try kimchi, sauerkraut, kefir, as a course of fermented food that helps repopulate and nurture the innards until they're bursting with life?

If you decide you've developed a taste for them, you could top up with various sorts for maintenance. Bio-live yoghurt is good for that, if scobies, etc don't appeal.

I brew my own Kombucha, I got a SCOBY (symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast) from ebay, I put 5 tea bags and two table spoons of white sugar in a two litre pot and let it do it's stuff for about 5 days. No one else wants to try it when they see it brewing!

 

[ollie989898]

This might be a case for @ollie989898 ! For all I know, such things might be out for deployment as I type!

Unfortunately it is true that some antibiotics wipe out our entire gut biome very readily. I have heard of cases where people got infected with C Diff, had a big course of antibiotics and then became lactose intolerant for many months after the treatment was completed.

 

[ollie989898]

I brew my own Kombucha, I got a SCOBY (symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast) from ebay, I put 5 tea bags and two table spoons of white sugar in a two litre pot and let it do it's stuff for about 5 days. No one else wants to try it when they see it brewing!

I've heard of people eating yoghurt and kimchi for much the same reasons.

 

[ollie989898]

Brain development and brain function does though. It's a proven fact that children need high amounts of protein in there diet at a young age for their brains to become fully developed.

It is true that humans have a relatively large brain when compared to the remainder of our animal cousins, and it is probable that the evolution of a larger than usual brain developed hand in hand with our willingness to eat meat as meat is particularly calorie dense. Of course, the larger our brains became, the more intelligent we became and so we could develop better ways of hunting or trapping prey animals so it became a self-fulfilling developmental process. Without access to meat and the nutrient density it provides, having such a large and high demand brain actually becomes a hindrance.

Humans are otherwise pretty poorly adapted as predators. We don't have very large bones or muscles (the veterinary building has a complete gorilla's skeleton in a glass box and it is built like a brick outhouse compared to any human specimen I have seen)- we can't swim or climb like many animals and we have no real teeth or claws and our sight isn't that hot compared to other predators. Our one advantage is being bi-pedal which is a lot more efficient way of moving in energy terms and it gives you an advantage in terms of vision distance as you have a higher vantage point.

Humans would have had a big advantage compared to many prey animals in how much endurance we have when running or walking. Very few other animals have this amount of stamina because they are on all fours. Whilst a zebra, lion or warthog might be a lot faster than any of us, very few 4 legged animals can sustain such pace for long periods. I believe that when humans hunted they did so in large groups and literally ran animals into exhaustion before spearing them or similar. Many tribes of people around the world still practice this to this day, though traps, bows and poison darts etc are also used as well.

 

[melted welly]

apparently that is what the appendix if for, to act as a repository for all the good bacteria, so if we get dysentery or something similar there is a repository to "reseed" the gut after.

Excellent book on just that called “gut” by Gulia Enders.

written in a very quirky accessible way. Has helped me.

recommend anyone with digestion issues to have a read. Some simple changes can make a big difference

 

[teslacoils]

I think one firm calls them crapsules

crapsules – The Centre for Digestive Diseases

centrefordigestivediseases.com

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Having said that, I think eating Asparagus (or possibly Leeks, Onions?) encourages the bacteria that are associated with being slim, so I am sure there must be other foods that can encourage bacteria that are good for other things.

I have read that having pig intestinal worms can stop Crohn's too. I know someone with chronic Crohn's, however when I mentioned eating live pig worms they were not that impressed with the idea!

Inflamatory bowel conditions are almost non existent in countries where children have internal parasite history. But thats only one factor. Mrs teslacoils' UC only appeared when she was in her early 30s.