Remember when i was ridiculed for "Food Security" claims?

[DeeGee]

Do you think the insurers will leave at knock for knock?

Wtf happened there?

Thought at first glance it was my wife driving into Sainsburys.

 

[graham99]

Doesn't matter where you go, history will be selective, more often than not the truth gets burried in myth, distortion and lies.

only the winner wrights , the history

 

[brigadoon]

Wtf happened there?

Well the accident report will make interesting reading for sure, there is only so much you can glean from a short video but from other sources we know that she was still doing almost 6 knots at the time of the incident.

That might indicate that she did not intend to berth on the quay she hit or it might indicate a malfunction which prevented the ahead propulsion being stopped - the propellor was driving ahead until the point at which the black smoke poured out of the funnel.

If it was a control malfunction there would be an emergency stop function on the main engine but that was obviously not used

I would guess that she simply started a turn to starboard too late and overshot her planned track - a somewhat dramatic case of oversteer

The rudder is generally over to starboard presumably to bring the bow around to avoid ramming the ship on the next berth ahead, however since the centre of rotation is about 1/3 of the length back from the bow it also drives the stern to port - with unfortunate effects as shown on the gantry she contacted. The tug attached to the stern - which will be about 5-6000 bhp - did not seem to be fully utilised in trying to prevent or mitigate the stern contacting the quay .

A poor day for the master and pilot for sure and one guy injured

 

[Kiwi Pete]

One minor reason for a reduction of handling capacity in Busan ( Korea not china) and one vessel that will be blanking the next couple of ports on her schedule

Coming in hot

 

[FonterraFarmer]

only the winner wrights , the history

Pearse beat the Wrights by about 7 months.

 

[graham99]

Well the accident report will make interesting reading for sure, there is only so much you can glean from a short video but from other sources we know that she was still doing almost 6 knots at the time of the incident.

That might indicate that she did not intend to berth on the quay she hit or it might indicate a malfunction which prevented the ahead propulsion being stopped - the propellor was driving ahead until the point at which the black smoke poured out of the funnel.

If it was a control malfunction there would be an emergency stop function on the main engine but that was obviously not used

I would guess that she simply started a turn to starboard too late and overshot her planned track - a somewhat dramatic case of oversteer

The rudder is generally over to starboard presumably to bring the bow around to avoid ramming the ship on the next berth ahead, however since the centre of rotation is about 1/3 of the length back from the bow it also drives the stern to port - with unfortunate effects as shown on the gantry she contacted. The tug attached to the stern - which will be about 5-6000 bhp - did not seem to be fully utilised in trying to prevent or mitigate the stern contacting the quay .

A poor day for the master and pilot for sure and one guy injured

going on the smoke there was a fare old wind blowning as well

 

[ollie989898]

You nautical sorts, there would seem to be a lack of tugs on hand to control that vessel? It's moving at a fair lick??

 

[brigadoon]

You nautical sorts, there would seem to be a lack of tugs on hand to control that vessel? It's moving at a fair lick??

There is one at each end of about 4-6000 BHP, they are azimuth stern drives (the propellors can be turned through 360 degrees to drive in any direction) and they are towing off the bow winch so that they can pull through an arc of 180 degrees or shorten in until the bow is against the hull and push.

Its not clear that the bow tug was actually connected but looking at the propwash on the video it seems probable. The ship herself has a bowthrust unit

Having said that there is about 60,000t of steel, fuel and water there so the tugs are not overpowered, there is also 8000 sq metres of windage with the wind on to the berth and reasonably fresh

At the time of the accident she was moving at about 5-6 knots so the tugs are effectively there as escorts - they can assist a bit with steering and positioning but it takes time for them to work themselves into the right position to do so.

Before initiating the turn to starboard she was moving at 9 knots so it seems likely that they have been slowing down during the turn which in itself will reduce rudder efficiency to some degree.

In farming terms the tugs are pretty much in the same situation as a guy holding a bull on a halter without a noseclip.

 

[Blaithin]

Union wants Cargill to pause High River beef processing plant after 38 workers test positive for COVID-19

Tom Hesse, the president of the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 401, said the plant employs over 2,000 people who work at the plant over two daily shifts.

calgary.ctvnews.ca

Even if, on the slim chance, it doesn’t effect the food industry much, the feedlot industry will feel that plant shutting down. Which means farmers will feel it.

 

[Brisel]

UK dairy farmers are having to tip milk away because of falling demand.

 

[Blaithin]

UK dairy farmers are having to tip milk away because of falling demand.

Milk is getting dumped everywhere. Been dumping it here and in the States for a couple weeks now.

 

[Tractorstant]

There is one at each end of about 4-6000 BHP, they are azimuth stern drives (the propellors can be turned through 360 degrees to drive in any direction) and they are towing off the bow winch so that they can pull through an arc of 180 degrees or shorten in until the bow is against the hull and push.

Its not clear that the bow tug was actually connected but looking at the propwash on the video it seems probable. The ship herself has a bowthrust unit

Having said that there is about 60,000t of steel, fuel and water there so the tugs are not overpowered, there is also 8000 sq metres of windage with the wind on to the berth and reasonably fresh

At the time of the accident she was moving at about 5-6 knots so the tugs are effectively there as escorts - they can assist a bit with steering and positioning but it takes time for them to work themselves into the right position to do so.

Before initiating the turn to starboard she was moving at 9 knots so it seems likely that they have been slowing down during the turn which in itself will reduce rudder efficiency to some degree.

In farming terms the tugs are pretty much in the same situation as a guy holding a bull on a halter without a noseclip.

Good Knowledge, I know the first reaction from any skip is "dead ship" it's the same world over. Last thing LLoyds need!