Rent on grass land

[egbert]

Some think grass won't grow without it

it's a different thread....but that's going to be a problem for many

 

[Pan mixer]

it's a different thread....but that's going to be a problem for many

I have organic, low input (50kg max allowed) and conventional grass.

Fertilizer works

 

[beardface]

25 acres can be mowed
No fertilisers
Sheep or cattle
No building or handling pen
4 miles from existing land
Just keep in good order

Sounds like some of mine. Tell then you'll take it on a grazing license.

Mines 55 an acre for 10 months, with some bits I can use at other times. Fenced, watered, no fert but plenty clover. Attitude of the landlord makes a big difference to what it's worth IMO.

 

[Al R]

I have organic, low input (50kg max allowed) and conventional grass.

Fertilizer works

Same, got organic registered, non registered organic as headache rate. And conventional grass on both high input and low input systems. Can’t beat a nice dose of sugar in February to boost the leys, thankfully predominantly clover in the leys to suit the low input system…

 

[adda]

Same, got organic registered, non registered organic as headache rate. And conventional grass on both high input and low input systems. Can’t beat a nice dose of sugar in February to boost the leys, thankfully predominantly clover in the leys to suit the low input system…

Sugar in February can tell you are a Pembrokeshire farmer

 

[Mc115reed]

Tell them keep the bps for themselves no point you having it it’s going in a couple years… then if it’s good grass fenced and water £120 acre ? … if it’s good grass and no fencing but water £80 acre… if it’s crap grass no water no fencing £30-40acre

 

[beardface]

Tell them keep the bps for themselves no point you having it it’s going in a couple years… then if it’s good grass fenced and water £120 acre ? … if it’s good grass and no fencing but water £80 acre… if it’s crap grass no water no fencing £30-40acre

£120 acre with no fert and no bps. Are you mental?

 

[Mc115reed]

£120 acre with no fert and no bps. Are you mental?

There’s plenty and I mean more that will than what won’t… that will pay that for good young grass with fences and water and not allowed fert … seen stuff going over £200 an acre last year at grass keep auction near here that wasn’t allowed fert just muck, fenced and water no bps and only allowed on for 8 months

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Tell them keep the bps for themselves no point you having it it’s going in a couple years… then if it’s good grass fenced and water £120 acre ? … if it’s good grass and no fencing but water £80 acre… if it’s crap grass no water no fencing £30-40acre

That seems about where its at

 

[beardface]

There’s plenty and I mean more that will than what won’t… that will pay that for good young grass with fences and water and not allowed fert … seen stuff going over £200 an acre last year at grass keep auction near here that wasn’t allowed fert just muck, fenced and water no bps and only allowed on for 8 months

Need their heads testing. Wouldn't touch anything over 80 here and 55 to 60 is really my limit.

 

[Mc115reed]

Need their heads testing. Wouldn't touch anything over 80 here and 55 to 60 is really my limit.

60 is my limit too but there’s plenty will be work for nothing

 

[Courier]

Some think grass won't grow without it

But it does - or there would be no need for roadside trimming 2 or 3 times in a season.

Yes, some bagged fert will alter the colour and produce a small amount extra crop - but not likely to cover the cost of £600 per tonne

What fert WILL do is extend the grazing season by a week or two which may well have covered it's cost in the past.

 

[beardface]

60 is my limit too but there’s plenty will be work for nothing

No wonder people moan about no money when there businesses are based on such high overheads.

 

[Al R]

No wonder people moan about no money when there businesses are based on such high overheads.

I pay headache rate on some land I rent 364 days on and it ends up around £115/acre yet not very productive old leys and I don’t put fert on it

 

[Forkdriver]

I pay headache rate on some land I rent 364 days on and it ends up around £115/acre yet not very productive old leys and I don’t put fert on it

I expect that this is by choice.

 

[tje]

25 acres can be mowed
No fertilisers
Sheep or cattle
No building or handling pen
4 miles from existing land
Just keep in good order

In the south east of England you might get it for the value of the sfp( depends on fencing) just to keep it tidy ..theres acres of old grassland and very little stock or anyone who wants to look after them more importantly .

 

[goodevans]

But it does - or there would be no need for roadside trimming 2 or 3 times in a season.

Yes, some bagged fert will alter the colour and produce a small amount extra crop - but not likely to cover the cost of £600 per tonne

What fert WILL do is extend the grazing season by a week or two which may well have covered it's cost in the past.

With verge mowing nothing is removed

 

[Derrick Hughes]

With verge mowing nothing is removed

Can you tell my lawn it's not supposed to grow without firt

 

[egbert]

I have organic, low input (50kg max allowed) and conventional grass.

Fertilizer works

I've got similar- on the mowing- no grazing ground is fed, and nothing is pushed much.
Fert works -if ph is right- for sure...but it also costs, and brings other unseen problems too.

For 30 years, I mowed unfertilised grass on a let.
With no inputs at all, it settled about 6 round bales to the acre.
Had almost no sheep -or fences- and sward was lovely. Hay was always nice unless i cocked it up.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

I've got similar- on the mowing- no grazing ground is fed, and nothing is pushed much.
Fert works -if ph is right- for sure...but it also costs, and brings other unseen problems too.

For 30 years, I mowed unfertilised grass on a let.
With no inputs at all, it settled about 6 round bales to the acre.
Had almost no sheep -or fences- and sward was lovely. Hay was always nice unless i cocked it up.

But did it have any feed value? 30 years of take with no give back?