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Surgery

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Location
Oxford
Anyway less aha bashing and responding please , where folks thoughts on fbt’s , risky business at the moment with inputs and the possibility outputs could crash very quickly if Russian Ukrainian conflict calms down
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
If you have the farming disease, then bidding silly money for a tenancy is par for the course. Otherwise you dont get to farm.
I didnt say anything of the sort that tenants should refuse to sign up for repairs, they have little choice in the matter.
What i said was that such agreements should be null and void.
This is the issue that perpetuates the problem. More demand than supply for land, which will only get worse as farmers look to expand to spread overheads and the greenwashing industry adds further demand. You already have to compete with tree planting programmes in Scotland and this is starting to happen south of the border too.
 

essexpete

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Location
Essex
Surely it's all relevant to what you get for the rent. If it's purely bare land then 15% might be a bit steep. There are some farms round me pay 60ac and for that they have sfp, big farmhouse and a row of cottages. 15% is nothing in that scenario. I always say suck it up boys if the farm was to be re-let today it would be double 🤷🏻‍♂️
A lot of truth there. I know of some tenants, by their own admission, that have enjoyed a very good business with rents well below fbts bare land price that then have the benifit of a house and yard on top. As a poster earlier has suggested, there needs to be something in the middle to give a reasonable deal for both parties. The smart tenants, whilst not always being able to buy a farm out right, have bought into land, property or other investments. Perhaps not quite so easy for a tenant halfway up a mountainside TBF.
 

Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
How are they not millionaires and farm owners on their own right with such a deal?!
Around here they own many houses

Anyway less aha bashing and responding please , where folks thoughts on fbt’s , risky business at the moment with inputs and the possibility outputs could crash very quickly if Russian Ukrainian conflict calms down
I tendered for some land with a caveat on BPS reduction and ELMS.

Didn't get it.
But I did what was right for the business
 

Jon

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Location
South Norfolk
We have some land that we rent on an AHA is up for a review this year. It's typical heavy land so not suitable for roots ect . The landlord has appointed a new agent one of the large national ones. He came to view the land last week and said they were looking for an increase of about 15%
It will be interesting to see how he justifies an increase when BPS is reducing
What are other people finding rents are doing?
I think we have just about negotiated a rent stand still for me, using a TFA recommended agent.
I'm quite pleased, at least I know what to budget for over next three years.
 

Huno

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Arable Farmer
With ag inflation at 30% and margins bouncing all over the place.. a prudent landlord and tenant might be wise to either freeze on rent until 2025 and our Gov schemes are in place or if they dont trust each other..sit down every 12 months after end of year accounts are available and agree an adjustment up or down... or is that just Naively over simple on my behalf? Might maintain trust between parties... Agents?? Silly idea??🤔
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
land rented at £200+, with no FBT, for us, would be a millstone on the rest, sometimes, extra land is tendered for, more for vanity, than sanity. Taking on more land, is an expensive business, you have to stock it, or crop it, all with up front money, with little return, for at least a year. Then there is labour, can you do it your self, or need more labour.
We rented a 50ac block, 10 miles away, to check the stock daily, big time user, so we cropped it, grass, corn, or maize, l dread to think what the cost of hauling produce, back home, would be now, frightening. The estate was sold, and taken back, in hand.
 

David.

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Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
How are they not millionaires and farm owners on their own right with such a deal?!
Because the previous generation always had a chip on their shoulder about the hefty rent when it was £20/ac, were perhaps even offered to buy in the 1970s but because £300/ac was "robbery", declined the offer; and the current generation is still feeling hard done by, and has a persecution complex at £80/ac, perhaps?
 
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som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
the big old estates, with a lot of tenanted farms, worked quite well, in house agent, could see where things, were wrong, knew his tenants, which ones would benefit him, to move to bigger farms, knew what sons, could make a go, on their own etc.
As those agents retired, they have largely been replaced by outside agents, who couldn't give a toss, about any of that, its just a money money money game to them, via commission.
 

Hb21

Member
Mixed Farmer
In respect of the landlords (whether they deserve any or not), the land is their money maker so want the best price within reason. The Arable man selling wheat at £300 a tonne isn't very fussed about the chicken farmer buying it from him via frontier he just wants to make money. Also you'd need a pretty bad tenant to reduce the saleable value of the land. I bought a block of land last year that had been let out, not sure if there is a gate that shuts over there, we spent days cutting the hedges back and there's blackgrass, but it certainly didn't come at a reduced rate.
 

Huno

Member
Arable Farmer
Iirc there are specific relations that are allowed to succeed, laid out in the Ag Holdings Act.
Poor landlords... life is not fair and nor is the law but it rarely changes! Is 100 quid an acre a good deal for an AHA tanant post 2023? Any thoughts other AHA farmers??
 

Huno

Member
Arable Farmer
I think we have just about negotiated a rent stand still for me, using a TFA recommended agent.
I'm quite pleased, at least I know what to budget for over next three years.
Very pleasing to hear and very sensible from all parties.. well done
 

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