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Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I have suffered the same five months of wet weather as you @Clive

I have reduced income because customers are worried about their cash flow. I have quarries closing weekly and hauliers too, so even if I had a lot to do I likely as not couldn’t supply.

My wife and my accountant have been looking into what money/grants we are eligible for. Nothing, not one penny. I’ve deferred our tax (interest will have to be paid) and it’s looking likely I will need to renegotiate finance.

Anybody care to help me out financially?
I doubt it.

If you don’t like it, do something else.

shall I tell all my tenants to go do something else ?

if you have a landlords why not ask for a rent cut or holiday just as it seems most businesses are doing right now that have suffered due to c19

fact is as property owners are seeing right now, if everyone says they want a rent holiday or reduction you have no choice but to grant it

why should landowners be protected from consequences while it’s ok for everyone else to suffer under extraordinary conditions ? be that c19 or extreme weather
 

chipchap

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South Shropshire
you are lucky ! even on our simple arable farm i’ve lost an employee (dad) as he's isolated and not PAYE so can not claim 80% of his wage

getting stuff done (tyres fitted) and parts is already getting tricky, a new 10,000sq ft shed can no longer be built this year etc ... . and this has only just begun

i hear dairy farmers are tipping away milk and prices are down on a lot of meat ... all that defies logic right now though !
I should swap places with one of the people dying in hospital. That is when you might get a bit of sympathy.

Money does make the world go round unfortunately, but it has become God to far too many.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Beef, lamb and dairy farmgate prices have tumbled

Yet there's retail rationing and price hikes to the housewife

Yes, rents should be reduced

But not for the big arable boys

Right now, they're only having to suffer the cost of not getting to ski on the French piste ?

big arable boys make fortunes while doing nothing myth again !

no farmers have made fortunes for a quite sometime, in fact it’s a reasonable achievement for a farm to not loose money for many farmers


BIg LANDOWNERS will be making a fortune as always through rents or rent equivalent if they also farm plus subsidy payments providing income from their multi million assets

let’s not confuse land ownership and farming again - they are not the same thing !
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I should swap places with one of the people dying in hospital. That is when you might get a bit of sympathy.

Money does make the world go round unfortunately, but it has become God to far too many.

the human consequences are not lost on me

but ignore the economic consequences at your peril - they will be as dramatic as the virus itself and last a LOT longer
 
Location
West Wales
If you are struggling then I see no reason to not ask for help.

if you are not I think we owe it to each other to keep going and not take from the pot. It’s vital private money continues to be spent where possible for us to come out of it as well as we can.

I was on the phone to my milk buyer yesterday and I suggested that if an imposed reduction in milk is required then I as an autumn calver would be happy to decrease to a large percentage in order to help the spring calver. This would have to be paid back somehow in the autumn but this is their critical time and just slowing down may not be possible.

We are all in this together, it’s worth remembering that.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
If you are struggling then I see no reason to not ask for help.

if you are not I think we owe it to each other to keep going and not take from the pot. It’s vital private money continues to be spent where possible for us to come out of it as well as we can.

I was on the phone to my milk buyer yesterday and I suggested that if an imposed reduction in milk is required then I as an autumn calver would be happy to decrease to a large percentage in order to help the spring calver. This would have to be paid back somehow in the autumn but this is their critical time and just slowing down may not be possible.

We are all in this together, it’s worth remembering that.


i wonder what the church (uk’s biggest landlord) are offering during these times where the compassion they preach is surely more relevant than ever ?


......... i suspect i know the answer !
 
shall I tell all my tenants to go do something else ?

if you have a landlords why not ask for a rent cut or holiday just as it seems most businesses are doing right now that have suffered due to c19

fact is as property owners are seeing right now, if everyone says they want a rent holiday or reduction you have no choice but to grant it

why should landowners be protected from consequences while it’s ok for everyone else to suffer under extraordinary conditions ? be that c19 or extreme weather


You have tenants?


Have you written to every one of them offering a rent reduction with no strings attached?

If so, good on you and that’s to be admired. You would then have a little justification in your opening post.

I have no intention of asking my landlord for a rent reduction. The reasons why are my business.
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
i wonder what the church (uk’s biggest landlord) are offering during these times where the compassion they preach is surely more relevant than ever ?


......... i suspect i know the answer !

haha over the years i have seen what the church has done in these kind of situations (obviously not Corona but times of server hardship) and lets just say its not very Christian and has caused them to get a few early customers for their end of life services
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I'm not really following you Clive to be honest. Us livestock boys have been living on the edge for a long time and as soon as you see an excuse to bail out of your rent you start making waves.

i'm saying when wider business suffers a big drop in there output as we see with c19 the first thing they do is stop paying rent or ask for reductions

we get a similar output destruction due to weather but no mention of rent reductions

why ?

and quit this stupid “us livestock boys are hard done by and “big” arable is easy life makes a fortune”. - it’s not accurate
 
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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
shall I tell all my tenants to go do something else ?

if you have a landlords why not ask for a rent cut or holiday just as it seems most businesses are doing right now that have suffered due to c19

fact is as property owners are seeing right now, if everyone says they want a rent holiday or reduction you have no choice but to grant it

why should landowners be protected from consequences while it’s ok for everyone else to suffer under extraordinary conditions ? be that c19 or extreme weather

I see no reason a rent deferment wouldn't be possible/reasonable.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
You have tenants?


Have you written to every one of them offering a rent reduction with no strings attached?

If so, good on you and that’s to be admired. You would then have a little justification in your opening post.

I have no intention of asking my landlord for a rent reduction. The reasons why are my business.

yes i have tenants - nearly all of them are paying no rent right now, i didn’t offer, they just told me that can’t pay at the moment and I can only help them through this as long term that’s in my interest, i need them to survive so when things return to normal i still have tenants left ! we are in this together, their business is my business.... why don’t landowners/ farmers have this attitude and relationship though ?

that’s my point Pete

if you keep paying rent and have reduced or no income you will eventually go bust - simple ! that’s bad for you and your landlord surely ?
 
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Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I see no reason a rent deferment wouldn't be possible/reasonable.

all but one of my commercial tenants is now on deferred 3 month payment holiday, all want reductions and one that was moving in this week has decided not to

that’s what “real” business does when they see their output cut ! but farmers just suck it up !
 
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Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
i'm saying when wider business suffers a big drip it there output as we see with c19 the first thing they do is stop paying tenant

we get a similar output destruction due to rather but no mention of rent reductions

why ?

and quit this stupid “us livestock boys are hard done by and “big” arable is easy life makes a fortune”. - it’s not accurate

one thing I can’t help noticing about TFF, there is a LOT of animosity & parochial attitudes between the various sectors of agricultural industries. Especially towards large farms & arable farms. Lots of discussion about what a “real” farmer is, etc etc
FFS - it is all SO childish & to be honest, shows a lack of professionalism
No wonder we don’t take many of you seriously . . .
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
one thing I can’t help noticing about TFF, there is a LOT of animosity & parochial attitudes between the various sectors of agricultural industries. Especially towards large farms & arable farms. Lots of discussion about what a “real” farmer is, etc etc
FFS - it is all SO childish & to be honest, shows a lack of professionalism
No wonder we don’t take many of you seriously . . .

livestock guys love to play the victim imo ! they work hard and don’t make a fortune in return ....... but that’s pretty common across all type of farmer imo. Grass always looks greener to them though !!

in the uk the big issue is most seem incapable of understanding the critical difference between income from land ownership and income from farming - that creates the big split imo

landowners (ones that farm) are much better off than any farmer regardless of if that farmer is livestock or arable

sadly it seems most uk farmers don’t have a clue how to run a business so i completely understand why you guys don’t take uk hobby farmers very seriously
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
What sort of a timescale does a farming business use to average its income? I'm talking bad years/good years etc.
other Commercial business take a far shorter viewpoint towards providing a service and receiving income from that, certainly when established anyway. I know a carpet/soft furnishing chap thats just shut the doors because literally no one is walking through the door, no commercial installation going on and, people are actually sending stuff back they bought on card because they wont be able to afford it so double stuffed in that respect.

I'm just still struggling with that fact that most farming hasn't really got a good short term reason for looking for assistance yet, so it's been a bad year for planting but that's not unusual, the beef price is being manipulated.....again not unusual. Ok, the top fruit boys might struggle for pickers, maybe sheepie men for shearers etc but beyond that it's pretty much business as usual for most farming.
 
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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
all but one of my commercial tenants is now on deferred 3 month payment holiday, all want reductions and one that was moving in this week has decided not to

that’s what “real” business does when they see their output cut ! send farmers just suck it up !

.....and yet on the other side of the coin not a single one of my commercial tenants has asked for anything from me.

If they did ask, I would be happy to consider letting them defer rent payments for a necessary period and let them repay that lump sum over say the following 12 month period.


Every business has risks......profit in good times, and work through the bad times with accumulated reserves. Richard Branson has already had plenty of stick for looking for a government bailout at the first sign of trouble despite owning his own island.
 
yes i have tenants - nearly all of them are paying no rent right now, i didn’t offer, they just told me that can’t pay at the moment and I can only help them through this as long term that’s in my interest, i need them to survive so when things return to normal i still have tenants left ! we are in this together, their business is my business.... why don’t landowners/ farmers have this attitude and relationship though ?

that’s my point Pete

if you keep paying rent and have reduced or no income you will eventually go bust - simple ! that’s bad for you and your landlord surely ?


I understand your point entirely and I’m not having a dig. Your tenants are probably earning absolutely nothing, but we as an industry still are.
 

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