dinderleat
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- Location
- Wells
If she’s past 250 days calved I would cull. I find if cows have too much of an extended lactation you end up with issues in the next lactation. It doesn’t sound like cystic if she is bulling ever 21 days.
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- Thread starter Wee Willy
- Start date
They won’t be bulled TIL November. I will give receptal a go.
Holsteinfriesian90
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- Location
- Cornwall
What have you tried serving them with so far? Genus fertility plus native and cogent super easy angus straws are good at stopping cows.
Shann_mann
Member
Your keen spending that long trying to get her in calf. I don’t care how good the cow is or if she my favourite. If she hasn’t got in calf after 200 days of calving the collars off and the barren tail tapes are on. She’s a waste of grass, corn and a cubicle.
Scholsey
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- Location
- Herefordshire
But how is she a waste when she is still giving me 38litres of milk/day with a feed rate of .25, costing me £5/straw of semen every 21 days? Could sell her for £600 as a cull buy a heifer for £1500 and have her give 30 litres at a far higher FR and have a little runty bull calf to have to find a home for for my troubles.
Had a heifer who had a section and had a schistosom calf, milked on similar to one I have posted, got her in calf after 300 days, dried off still giving 25 litres, now giving 65 litres as a second calver.
Calving index doesn’t pay your bills, milk does. Not saying everyone should have a 450+ days calving index but if your capable of managing cows individually rather than having a strict cull policy due to being overstocked/surplus litres etc then extending lactations don’t have to be a disaster.
Scholsey
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- Location
- Herefordshire
Me also, that’s why I wouldn’t serve them once they drop below 30 litres.
Shann_mann
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When I was a Reaseheath 5 years ago the behind cost was you loss £3.50 of milk a cow everyday over 305 days she’s milking. So say you calving index is 450 so that’s £1500 ish a cow your losing in milk so does calving index pay the bills? That’s only the figures we were told by reaseheath at the time. I understand if your a flying herd the breeding is as important. But we run 100 Holsteins and breed are own replacements so to me if something is poor on fertility do you want to breed replacements out of them cows?
- Location
- Buxton, Derbyshire
Friend sold a 2nd calver in Leek one Christmas it got res champ and sold for close to 3k. It had taken 26 services to get it to a 2nd calver 
- Location
- somerset
young cows are worth running round, you know what you have, old cows get shot, but with being told it takes £12/1300 to rear to calving, is it in the profitability class to sell a young cow, cull, for £5/600, and replacing her with a hfr that's cost £1200 to rear, or is it what the so called experts tell us ? of course there are exceptions, but you do have a lactation out of her, and she should give more milk coming into her 2/3 lactation, than a heifer in her first. But it is a personal preference at the end of the day. We sold our autumn calvers, and replaced with spring. We ended up with about 25 that we couldn't offer for sale -the limpers, older cows or 3/4 cows, if we had sold them, they would have averaged £350/400 at a push, they are calving now, we are really grateful for the extra milk they give now !!!!!
@pappuller bought herFriend sold a 2nd calver in Leek one Christmas it got res champ and sold for close to 3k. It had taken 26 services to get it to a 2nd calver
There’s people who make a very decent living off these problem cows. A man I bought heifers from in the spring phoned last week. He had a batch of 2nd calvers springing. €1500 each. These were heifers who hadn’t held during the south’s strict 12 week breeding period. They were sold the next day.
My view is the same as @som farmer . A cull RoI heifer is only worth £300 here. If you’re a flying herd it’s hard going out and giving £1300 and selling them 9 months later for £1000 less. A maiden will cost £800 and there’s no guarantee of fertility with them.
My view is the same as @som farmer . A cull RoI heifer is only worth £300 here. If you’re a flying herd it’s hard going out and giving £1300 and selling them 9 months later for £1000 less. A maiden will cost £800 and there’s no guarantee of fertility with them.
- Location
- somerset
there's plenty of out of sync cows sold every yr, at Exeter, some are sold pd+, somr are sold pd+ but not warrented, and some are sold as been running with bull, we bought 10 young cows at holsworthy av £530, 4 pd+ and 6 pd+ but not warranted, when we pd'd 1 was empty, but giving 20 litres day with high components, so, hfrs at £1200, or more to replace above cows ? my sums say its good arithmetic , plus they calve right at the front of our block !
- Location
- M6 Hard shoulder
Biggest problem is if you extend too many lactations you will soon end up with a very high dim and that is not always a good thing the shorter the milking cycle the higher the milk output will be.
But your 38 litre cow will continue to produce and gain weight until she reaches that cut off point, if you get her ic the chances are she will have an extended dry period which is not ideal.
Personally over 200 dim and not IC they go on the cull list regardless and this from a man who buys everything in.
It does lead to increased margins over time.
- Location
- M6 Hard shoulder
But it milked well and made a hell of a barren [emoji23]Friend sold a 2nd calver in Leek one Christmas it got res champ and sold for close to 3k. It had taken 26 services to get it to a 2nd calver
- Location
- North Norfolk
How to breed infertile cows!Friend sold a 2nd calver in Leek one Christmas it got res champ and sold for close to 3k. It had taken 26 services to get it to a 2nd calver
Scholsey
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- Location
- Herefordshire
Average days in milk 204, average days dry 62, (target is 54)!and milk sold is 35.4 @ FR 0.31kg/litre have 10-15 extra cows here because of my serving policy, I admit if we were averaging 6-7k lactations they wouldn’t milk on like they do so wouldn’t be possible.
Shann_mann
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Friend sold a 2nd calver in Leek one Christmas it got res champ and sold for close to 3k. It had taken 26 services to get it to a 2nd calver
Bit of a dirty trick selling a cow that struggling to get in calf for 3k you’d need to milk it for a good while to make that money back. I wouldn’t be advertising that fact at all.
Good job im happy to serve a cow sub 30l.....