Replacement Horsch tines

Discussion in 'Direct Drilling Machinery' started by warksfarmer, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. warksfarmer

    warksfarmer Member

    Those of you that have changed the standard Horsch duett point have you added in extra legs because without the ‘band sowing effect’ the gaps between rows must be considerable?
     
  2. soilsaver

    soilsaver Member

    Location:
    bucks uk
    Hi i have complete leg asembley available
     
  3. Doggy

    Doggy New Member

    I have a set of bourgault legs for horsh co4 or sprinter.They are the knock on points,a shares and narrow points same as claydon
     
  4. Doggy

    Doggy New Member

    They are for sale
     
  5. Aceface

    Aceface Member

    Location:
    Lincolnshire
    I will start using a new to us Horsch Sprinter soon for the first time, the original Duett openers are in a box and fitted in their place are 10 cm Bourgault openers. I too was concerned about row width but everyone you talk to who has experience of these wide rows say that yield or weed pressure is not affected. On the other hand, my old drill had 26 coulters per 4 metres, the Sprinter, with the 10 cm Bourgaults will have 32 individual rows, but spaced differently.
    Without knowing, I would imagine adding extra legs to be difficult to do so evenly so as not to create bottlenecks for straw etc and you would need a bigger seed distribution head to take the extra pipes required.
    By coincidence, I spoke to the Pan Anglia man today and he said their most popular replacement coulter for the Horsch Duett was the 5" Dutch opener.
     
  6. T Hectares

    T Hectares Member

    Location:
    Berkshire
    @warksfarmer do you mean single openers rather than the Dutch/Borgault type smaller band type??
     
  7. warksfarmer

    warksfarmer Member

    Yes so the duett sows two lines per Tine to create the band. If you just sow one line per leg you loose the ‘band’ effect?
     
  8. T Hectares

    T Hectares Member

    Location:
    Berkshire
    I'm using 100mm Borgaults which are a good compromise, they still have a band but move a hell of a lot less soil than a Duett.
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    My neighbour has single narrow openers on his Horsch and drills somewhere in the region of 5-6000 acres a year on the 250mm row spacing and the crops look great, Spring Barley is maybe the crop which might suffer the most from being drilled on a wider row but they fill out and look well there...
     
  9. warksfarmer

    warksfarmer Member

    They look interesting so how wide is your band?

    Can’t decide whether it’s better to stick with duett for maximum soil cover almost broadcast like but knowing your moving lots of soil at seeding OR change the points for less disturbance but at the same time loosing the broadcast look the duetts offer?
     
  10. T Hectares

    T Hectares Member

    Location:
    Berkshire
    These are approx 4" band compared to a 7" band I think on the Duett ??

    Much more precise seed placement and I have 80hp less on my 6m drill !!

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  11. warksfarmer

    warksfarmer Member

    Looks good. What would you say is the best tine/seedboot to get as much coverage (almost broadcast) as possible?
     
  12. Northdowns Martin

    Location:
    Snodland kent
    4EFF9C22-056D-4E81-9D93-231B4995182E.jpeg Metcalfe came up with these points for a neighbour who has 6m sprinter which had 27cm row spacing. They’ve got a narrow band outlet but still low disturbance. I share a co drill running Gen points, haven’t seen any cereal crops drilled with 5” points yet but have got some put in with 1” and not disappointed with how they look.
     
  13. Longneck

    Longneck Member

    Not sure how well they would work, looks like it’s still the original metcalfe seed tube behind a slightly wider point. Surely all that will do is drop the seed into a narrow row still?
     
  14. T Hectares

    T Hectares Member

    Location:
    Berkshire
    I would think the Duets would have the best coverage...
     
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  15. clbarclay

    clbarclay Member

    Location:
    Worcestershire
    Full width sweep shares and the seed dropping down the back of the legs onto spreader plates tucked behind each sweep. I tried a prototype drill like that about 15 years ago, based on a stubble cultivator with 9" (or possibly wider) sweeps. It was near impossible to find seeds to check the sowing depth (None left on the surface) and about the only way to be sure the seed was there was that it had gone from the hopper. It came up in an even green mat, not even a hint of rows.

    The flip side is that it is full width cultivation at drilling.
     
  16. warksfarmer

    warksfarmer Member

    Dont suppose you have any pictures? as that sounds perfect. I've come to the conclusion that seed coverage is more important than soil disturbance if you are drilling later. This is what we've got so far in the picture as its just the standard set up off a 3 row stagger sprinter. Its only just coming in rows but it still not good enough.
     

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  17. clbarclay

    clbarclay Member

    Location:
    Worcestershire
    I don't have any pictures, but I could mock up an image from memory this evening.
     
  18. Doggy

    Doggy New Member

    That's what I have for sale.They are the same as on a claydon but the leg spacing is 8 inch narrower.if you look on classified ads on Horsh drills there are some pictures of them
     
  19. Clive

    Clive Staff Member

    Location:
    Lichfield
    Gives us a 10” row spacing which is perfect imo

    No extra legs and I reckon 150hp could probably pull a 6m direct I to stubble
     
  20. clbarclay

    clbarclay Member

    Location:
    Worcestershire
    I remember it being something like this diagram. The yellow part was something like 30x5mm strip bolted to the back of the tine and holding the round tube the seed hoses slipped on to. The deflector under the tube and welded to the strip, shown in orange, had a semi circular profile. The orange bit floating to the right shows profile of the deflector viewed from behind.

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