Reseeding Ciat

[SheepdogC]

Has anyone any idea What sort of money does it cost to have an acre of pasture reseeded in Northern Ireland

 

[victorfirst]

300- 400

 

[Derrick Hughes]

300- 400

Thats expensive
Would you have a breakdown , Normally work on around £120 here

 

[SheepdogC]

Thanks gents ,I’m looking a cost on someone doing the whole job, from burning off to reseeding , I thought around the 300/400 mark

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Spraying £30 with Spray
Drilling £30
Seed Long Term with Clover £66
You could add some fertilizer to that , lime you may need but you should apply that if resseeding on not so not realy valid
Few other costs , Slug Pellets and maybe one pass with a roller

 

[ajcc]

@SheepdogC Ciat = sausage fingers? I been googling it, half expecting irish dialect for heathland.

 

[Spencer]

Spraying £30 with Spray
Drilling £30
Seed Long Term with Clover £66
You could add some fertilizer to that , lime you may need but you should apply that if resseeding on not so not realy valid
Few other costs , Slug Pellets and maybe one pass with a roller

You not find DD into old grassland just reverts back to old sward too quickly? DD on intensive dairy ground I find fine as grasses never aloud to seed so no seed bank in ground. But old swards plough gives cleaner longer reseeds here.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You not find DD into old grassland just reverts back to old sward too quickly? DD on intensive dairy ground I find fine as grasses never aloud to seed so no seed bank in ground. But old swards plough gives cleaner longer reseeds here.

But your plough will bring the seed bank up ,4 inches of it if thats how deep you plough , direct you only have around half an inch on the top to worry about , i have charlock coming up when i plough from 40 years back

 

[Spencer]

But your plough will bring the seed bank up ,4 inches of it if thats how deep you plough , direct you only have around half an inch on the top to worry about , i have charlock coming up when i plough from 40 years back

We have BLW coming up which are easy to deal with in sward.. but cant take grass out of grass

 

[Boohoo]

Direct drilling is OK if the field is level to start with. If it isn't level the plough is the only realistic option. How much it costs is anyone's guess, you never know what you're going to turn up.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

We have BLW coming up which are easy to deal with in sward.. but cant take grass out of grass

Anual Meadow grass is bad here

 

[deleted user 837354]

But your plough will bring the seed bank up ,4 inches of it if thats how deep you plough , direct you only have around half an inch on the top to worry about , i have charlock coming up when i plough from 40 years back

Who gives a fudge about charlock? It's easily removed. It's the weed grasses that do for leys, not broad leaved weeds.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Anual Meadow grass is bad here

Then fudging plough!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Who gives a fudge about charlock? It's easily removed. It's the weed grasses that do for leys, not broad leaved weeds.

ok how would you remove Charlock in Swedes and Kale, I mean thick charlock like Forage rape sat 6 kgs to the acre thick

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Then fudging plough!

how long do weeds seeds survive in the soil, for a clever man your not sometimes

 

[deleted user 837354]

how long do weeds seeds survive in the soil, for a clever man your not sometimes

You're a silly billy because you're going grass to grass reseeding constantly and direct drilling and then thinking you've unlocked the holy grail.

I couldn't give a stuff about the charlock in a grass ley, broad leaved weeds in grass are not a huge issue. It's the weed grasses that do for grass leys. No chemical control for them.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You're a silly billy because you're going grass to grass reseeding constantly and direct drilling and then thinking you've unlocked the holy grail.

I couldn't give a stuff about the charlock in a grass ley, broad leaved weeds in grass are not a huge issue. It's the weed grasses that do for grass leys. No chemical control for them.

I dont give a stuff if yoh dont give i stuff about charlock ,
But if you think ploughing will get rid of weed grasses then you are wrong
And i never said Charlock was a problem in a grass ley that part i agree with , its swedes i had the problem with

 

[deleted user 837354]

I dont give a stuff if yoh dont give i stuff about charlock ,
But if you think ploughing will get rid of weed grasses then you are wrong
And i never said Charlock was a problem in a grass ley that part i agree with , its swedes i had the problem with

Who in the entire history of TFF has ever said the plough can get rid of seeds? It doesn't. Doesn't work that way.

All it does it bury stuff. Giving your new ley half a chance to get it's head above water and dominate the soil surface- the grass plants themselves then shroud out and discourage other weeds from germinating.

You need to use rotations + chemistry + cultivation/ploughing to get grass leys that are not overcome with weed species. No one solution cures them all.

Growing swedes/kale and the like as catch crops is a partial solution but given that there is either a lack of chemistry to use on them or people aren't willing to spend that money they aren't ever going to be a panacea. Half the reason maize, wholecrop and beet work so well is because farmers are obliged to treat them as a proper crop and not fudge around with them.

 

[Spencer]

I’ll leave you two to it

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You can argue until your blue in the face , but ive done both and still do , i can control weeds better with roundup and surface seeding , ive not grown swedes for many years but always struggled with weeds , then i saw what a guy called Richie from North Wales was doing direct drilling swedes ,what an eye opener ,must have been 20 years ago