RHI 12 and 24 months from now?

[Doing it for the kids]

nobody knows for sure but some in the know will have an inclin.

What's going to be left of the tarrids going forward?

 

[Still Farming]

Tarrifs ?
If your in ok
If your out - not ok ?

 

[f0ster]

the rhi have produced forward projections of tariff cuts on a quarterly basis, they also have a quota for each quarter, if the quota is exceeded a bigger cut can be implemented.

 

[akaPABLO01]

tariffs will remain for GSHP and ASHP, decisions made in September

The government want both rolled out more to lesson dependence on gas. Biomass will suffer because, its just not sustainable.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

tariffs will remain for GSHP and ASHP, decisions made in September

The government want both rolled out more to lesson dependence on gas. Biomass will suffer because, its just not sustainable.

What makes you say that?

I bet millions of litres of fossil fuels will be saved this year when farmers dry drenched grain using straw instead of oil

 

[akaPABLO01]

What makes you say that?

I bet millions of litres of fossil fuels will be saved this year when farmers dry drenched grain using straw instead of oil

We rely heavily on imported gas from Russia piped through France. Fracking helped USA reduce gas costs but the government and quadrilla are having a very difficult time extracting this.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I was referring to why biomass is not sustainable in some cases

 

[akaPABLO01]

I was referring to why biomass is not sustainable in some cases

When a study was conducted by the government on biomass it received condemnation from Scottish forestry that wood could not be supplied at the level needed to continue support for biomass.

 

[renewablejohn]

We rely heavily on imported gas from Russia piped through France. Fracking helped USA reduce gas costs but the government and quadrilla are having a very difficult time extracting this.

Not true. We get very little gas from Russia. Our main supplier is Norway the rest is imported in the form of LNG from anywhere in the world where it is cheap. At present America is dumping gas on the world market due to surplus caused by fracking.

 

[akaPABLO01]

Not true. We get very little gas from Russia. Our main supplier is Norway the rest is imported in the form of LNG from anywhere in the world where it is cheap. At present America is dumping gas on the world market due to surplus caused by fracking.

Still, that mean we're aren't self sufficient or sustainable which is the point of renewables

 

[renewablejohn]

Still, that mean we're aren't self sufficient or sustainable which is the point of renewables

The point of renewables is to wean us away from using fossil fuels with the ultimate aim of being self sufficient in renewables. Some countries find it very easy as they have the political will and natural resources to achieve that aim. Others like the UK have the natural resources but lack the political will. We are slowly getting there but to many fossil fuel brown envelopes still hold power.

 

[Bluedog]

The proposed!! new tariffs will be of benefit to those of us who have large fossil fuel bills!! The RHI along with the fuel savings still provide a very good incentive to invest. if you do the maths on the proposed new tariff system you will see what I mean. Particularly if you have your own fuel, straw. we are projecting our additional heat use to be around the 4000mw mark and are waiting for the new tariffs to be introduced before we put in our second straw burning boiler. The first one has performed just about as expected financially and we have learnt a lot over the last year with regards to the fuel and how its best prepared to fuel the boiler. Basically leave it in the field for as long as possible, rain and shine. Dull grey is what we want.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

The proposed!! new tariffs will be of benefit to those of us who have large fossil fuel bills!! The RHI along with the fuel savings still provide a very good incentive to invest. if you do the maths on the proposed new tariff system you will see what I mean. Particularly if you have your own fuel, straw. we are projecting our additional heat use to be around the 4000mw mark and are waiting for the new tariffs to be introduced before we put in our second straw burning boiler. The first one has performed just about as expected financially and we have learnt a lot over the last year with regards to the fuel and how its best prepared to fuel the boiler. Basically leave it in the field for as long as possible, rain and shine. Dull grey is what we want.

which boiler are you running? I agree ref grey straw but with weather like this it takes some large balls to leave it when it gets so wet!

 

[Bluedog]

We have a Linka 1mw. It's a bit twitchy about leaving it, all very alien to us. But gives a better burn, less clinker generally better all round. Need around 1300 bales for the current boiler and about double for the new one. So about to get even more twitchy. But its all about the fuel, its the first thing the guy who sold me the system talked about, fuel fuel fuel. Understand now what he meant.

 

[warksfarmer]

The proposed!! new tariffs will be of benefit to those of us who have large fossil fuel bills!! The RHI along with the fuel savings still provide a very good incentive to invest. if you do the maths on the proposed new tariff system you will see what I mean. Particularly if you have your own fuel, straw. we are projecting our additional heat use to be around the 4000mw mark and are waiting for the new tariffs to be introduced before we put in our second straw burning boiler. The first one has performed just about as expected financially and we have learnt a lot over the last year with regards to the fuel and how its best prepared to fuel the boiler. Basically leave it in the field for as long as possible, rain and shine. Dull grey is what we want.

Barn storing fresh straw for a few months also conditions it for a boiler.

 

[warksfarmer]

The proposed!! new tariffs will be of benefit to those of us who have large fossil fuel bills!! The RHI along with the fuel savings still provide a very good incentive to invest. if you do the maths on the proposed new tariff system you will see what I mean. Particularly if you have your own fuel, straw. we are projecting our additional heat use to be around the 4000mw mark and are waiting for the new tariffs to be introduced before we put in our second straw burning boiler. The first one has performed just about as expected financially and we have learnt a lot over the last year with regards to the fuel and how its best prepared to fuel the boiler. Basically leave it in the field for as long as possible, rain and shine. Dull grey is what we want.

Have you got a link to the new tariffs?

 

[Bluedog]

Not a link, but as far as I know its to be 2.9p per kw for the first 3066hrs at full capacity, so the first 3 million kw then about 2.05 there after. These have still to be agreed by Parliament though, so who knows! Tariffs still can drop quarterly as before, but under new proposals you can secure the tariff rate as long as its above a MW and you can prove you are intent on the project. I think planning has to been approved showing a 1mw biomass boiler within the planning application.

 

[warksfarmer]

Not a link, but as far as I know its to be 2.9p per kw for the first 3066hrs at full capacity, so the first 3 million kw then about 2.05 there after. These have still to be agreed by Parliament though, so who knows! Tariffs still can drop quarterly as before, but under new proposals you can secure the tariff rate as long as its above a MW and you can prove you are intent on the project. I think planning has to been approved showing a 1mw biomass boiler within the planning application.

That's borderline viable by the time you take into account the cost of the boiler, the fuel and then the electricity to run the thing. Unless of course you are selling the heat I suppose. You certainly couldn't run it on wood chip so it would have to be a straw based system.

 

[Bluedog]

At around 2500mw your are at a similar income to the present RHI, assuming a 10% drop in October . Boiler, 2mw, not much , relatively, more than a 1mw

 

[warksfarmer]

At around 2500mw your are at a similar income to the present RHI, assuming a 10% drop in October . Boiler, 2mw, not much , relatively, more than a 1mw

It's about £20k difference by my calculations.