rhi audit

Half Pipe

Member
its usual government grant/subsidies,
always gets abused, spoils it for genuine folk, think to many biomass install/sales companies talked people into larger than required systems, Tha need to keep the meter running to pay for itself, hear of hat water taps left running or even radiators outside just to dump heat.
If a business can use claim rhi for drying fuel, then surely it should be allowed for self suppliers, can be difficult drying enough fuel in a wet year, do agree it should be seasoned before drying last bit
 

akaPABLO01

Member
its usual government grant/subsidies,
always gets abused, spoils it for genuine folk, think to many biomass install/sales companies talked people into larger than required systems, Tha need to keep the meter running to pay for itself, hear of hat water taps left running or even radiators outside just to dump heat.
If a business can use claim rhi for drying fuel, then surely it should be allowed for self suppliers, can be difficult drying enough fuel in a wet year, do agree it should be seasoned before drying last bit

Not entirely sure the sales folk are to blame wholly. It's just human greed, a welcome other revenue income. On the one hand I agree that "milking the system" for profit is a drain on rhi resources but on the other hand, haven't farmers been slaves to supermarket squeezes?
It's a double edge sword, farmers who risk taking on loans to secure another revenue deserve to use what funding is on offer. Let's not break out the pitch forks just yet, there are "rumours" of dumping heat and exploitation and as we've seen NI completely making a mockery but surely stress tests were conducted by government involving such issues and were probably not fully understood by the many governing bodies overseeing applications.

These boilers running day and night aren't going to see out the full 20 years and out of warranty we'll experience very heavy replacement bills. But, as soon as a boiler passed conformity and qualified for rhi the price of them doubles. Remove the rhi and the replacement cost of a boiler should in theory reduce.

Getting growers off oil and other expensive fuels was the key, helping farms become more efficient in drying crop, drying chip to sell makes the delivery of service more valuable to the whole economy.

The only issue is the wood cannot be replaced faster then it gets burnt and this is the issue. Scotlands forestry made vocal before the biomass wave that fuel could not be sustained and woodlands replenished quick enough. This was ignored.

A farmer spends 500,000 on a system, receives rhi, has inspection, rhi withdrawn, taxes paid. If underhanded shenanigans are ongoing they'll be rooted out before full rhi is delivered. That's the safety net and a caution of buyer beware.
 
Not entirely sure the sales folk are to blame wholly. It's just human greed, a welcome other revenue income. On the one hand I agree that "milking the system" for profit is a drain on rhi resources but on the other hand, haven't farmers been slaves to supermarket squeezes?
It's a double edge sword, farmers who risk taking on loans to secure another revenue deserve to use what funding is on offer. Let's not break out the pitch forks just yet, there are "rumours" of dumping heat and exploitation and as we've seen NI completely making a mockery but surely stress tests were conducted by government involving such issues and were probably not fully understood by the many governing bodies overseeing applications.

These boilers running day and night aren't going to see out the full 20 years and out of warranty we'll experience very heavy replacement bills. But, as soon as a boiler passed conformity and qualified for rhi the price of them doubles. Remove the rhi and the replacement cost of a boiler should in theory reduce.

Getting growers off oil and other expensive fuels was the key, helping farms become more efficient in drying crop, drying chip to sell makes the delivery of service more valuable to the whole economy.

The only issue is the wood cannot be replaced faster then it gets burnt and this is the issue. Scotlands forestry made vocal before the biomass wave that fuel could not be sustained and woodlands replenished quick enough. This was ignored.

A farmer spends 500,000 on a system, receives rhi, has inspection, rhi withdrawn, taxes paid. If underhanded shenanigans are ongoing they'll be rooted out before full rhi is delivered. That's the safety net and a caution of buyer beware.

All the inspector has to do is follow the pipe work. Greenhouses etc clearly sent on but heat a house or grain drier is. It's not that complicated.
 

akaPABLO01

Member
All the inspector has to do is follow the pipe work. Greenhouses etc clearly sent on but heat a house or grain drier is. It's not that complicated.

Sure, I highly doubt the majority of applications will fail, maybe some conformity issues which can easily be corrected if any.
 

Chickcatcher

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Mixed Farmer
Location
SG9
Bringing this back too life with a bit of info for those that may need it.
I had an RHI Audit in July 19 on the 29/10/20 I was informed that I had failed the Audit.
Things to be addressed.
At time of Audit it was stated that I needed planning permission for Sea Container housing Boiler. No problem permission applied for granted ready to submit when needed as not able to acquire within time scale auditor gave me. This was mentioned in the failure notice but now no longer needed.
Schematic failed as not how auditor saw it on site his interpretation has been proved incorrect, reluctantly the schematic has now been accepted as correct after many photos and interpreting the drawing for them, which they actually informed me which colours on drawing indicated what.
Certification given was again a problem but after informing them there were 5 pages to it and not one as they insisted was only there it is now accepted.
Fuel was the next problem I had not fully recorded all there requirements this was easily addressed but then they wanted further information, They wanted details of deliveries to each boiler store not just the one they had audited, Name of supplier, Date of deliver, total tonnage, quantity into each boiler store, (they said I had 4 boilers and I only have 3). BSL numbers for each load, Moisture content, Invoice number for each delivery, meter readings when fuel delivered, and finally Quarterly meter readings for all boilers.
Guess what today they have come back and asking for at least 3 invoices for each year of being in the scheme after already sending them 8 Invoices making 19 invoices from a total of 63 invoices.
Oh well I may satisfy there requirements eventually.
Any one else had this sort of experience or am I an exception?
 

markbury1

Member
Bringing this back too life with a bit of info for those that may need it.
I had an RHI Audit in July 19 on the 29/10/20 I was informed that I had failed the Audit.
Things to be addressed.
At time of Audit it was stated that I needed planning permission for Sea Container housing Boiler. No problem permission applied for granted ready to submit when needed as not able to acquire within time scale auditor gave me. This was mentioned in the failure notice but now no longer needed.
Schematic failed as not how auditor saw it on site his interpretation has been proved incorrect, reluctantly the schematic has now been accepted as correct after many photos and interpreting the drawing for them, which they actually informed me which colours on drawing indicated what.
Certification given was again a problem but after informing them there were 5 pages to it and not one as they insisted was only there it is now accepted.
Fuel was the next problem I had not fully recorded all there requirements this was easily addressed but then they wanted further information, They wanted details of deliveries to each boiler store not just the one they had audited, Name of supplier, Date of deliver, total tonnage, quantity into each boiler store, (they said I had 4 boilers and I only have 3). BSL numbers for each load, Moisture content, Invoice number for each delivery, meter readings when fuel delivered, and finally Quarterly meter readings for all boilers.
Guess what today they have come back and asking for at least 3 invoices for each year of being in the scheme after already sending them 8 Invoices making 19 invoices from a total of 63 invoices.
Oh well I may satisfy there requirements eventually.
Any one else had this sort of experience or am I an exception?
It's an
 

markbury1

Member
I started this thread in 2016 only in the spring of this year was my audit completed (3.5 years)........ you may think to yourselves that there were some serious problems or indeed fraud, I can assure you this is not the case I engaged the services of The farm energy centre right from the start and they stood by me throughout all fuel invoices and weight tickets were available as was all other paperwork. I was passed from one reviewer to another they would ask for information that had been provided months or even years ago.......had I have realized the total incompetence and couldn't care less about you attitude of Ofgem who assume we are all criminals i never would have signed up to the rhi
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
I started this thread in 2016 only in the spring of this year was my audit completed (3.5 years)........ you may think to yourselves that there were some serious problems or indeed fraud, I can assure you this is not the case I engaged the services of The farm energy centre right from the start and they stood by me throughout all fuel invoices and weight tickets were available as was all other paperwork. I was passed from one reviewer to another they would ask for information that had been provided months or even years ago.......had I have realized the total incompetence and couldn't care less about you attitude of Ofgem who assume we are all criminals i never would have signed up to the rhi
Just re read my post number 8 of this thread. Certainly think I made the right decision. Could do with an audit of the cowboy down the road smoking out the community with his log dryer obviously using wet wood.
 
I started this thread in 2016 only in the spring of this year was my audit completed (3.5 years)........ you may think to yourselves that there were some serious problems or indeed fraud, I can assure you this is not the case I engaged the services of The farm energy centre right from the start and they stood by me throughout all fuel invoices and weight tickets were available as was all other paperwork. I was passed from one reviewer to another they would ask for information that had been provided months or even years ago.......had I have realized the total incompetence and couldn't care less about you attitude of Ofgem who assume we are all criminals i never would have signed up to the rhi

im dreading when they turn up here, even if I think I’m keeping records etc properly!

how did you find NFU energy?

ive made modifications to my systems and the question that’s I got asked, multiple times, was absurd.
 

sjt01

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Norfolk
im dreading when they turn up here, even if I think I’m keeping records etc properly!

how did you find NFU energy?

ive made modifications to my systems and the question that’s I got asked, multiple times, was absurd.
They seem much more efficient at dealing with replacement heat meters these days. Our original ones were quite unreliable, putting in Kamstrups when they fail.
 

sledgeit

Member
Location
Stirling
I am now one year on from an audit and totally agree with markbury1, our friends at Ofgem really need to be answerable to they’re couldn’t care less attitude.
 

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