Riding the storm

[glasshouse]

@silverfox I typed it out so a search engine could find it.

Mixed Agricultural holding. UK. 1942

Wheat 12
Barley 15
Oats 5
mixed corn no wheat in mix 18
Potatoes main crop 2
Fodder turnips.swedes 4
Mangolds 3
Sugar beet 6
Clover sainfoin and temporary grasses 25.5
Permanent grasses 53
Permanent grasses for grazing 285.5


heifers in milk 52
cows in calf no milk 2
heifers in calf 14
Bulls 1
other cows male <2years 8
other cows female <2years 12
other cows male 1-2 yrs 22
other cows female 1-2 yrs 20


Fowls >6 months 50
Fowls <6 months 60
Ducks 4


Agricultural horses mares 3
Agricultural horses geldings 1
Unbroken horse female <1year 1
Heavy horse <1 year 1


Males workers 18-21yrs 4
Casual workers male >21yrs 1
Casual workers female >21yrs 1

I have to be honest it was a bit of a trial to give those in the future some history, it reminded me of "a Farmers life" hudson[?] and put back in my mind what a mixed farm meant, and how much food was worth to employ this many folk.

Thank you.

That should be sent to mother teresa to point out the result of abandoning farming to global markets

 

[neilo]

That should be sent to mother teresa to point out the result of abandoning farming to global markets

Abandoned farms would revert to trees and scrub, which will prevent flooding of our towns and cities. They also make an ideal area to re-wild wolves and such like, with less inhabitants around to kick up a fuss. Better still, they already generally have roads and tracks in place, so the urban tourists can drive round and look at 'nature' doing it's thing.

 

[glasshouse]

That was uk policy till 1940, when they had to do a sharp u turn and start growing our own again.

 

[neilo]

That was uk policy till 1940, when they had to do a sharp u turn and start growing our own again.

Yep, funny how history repeats itself.

Let's hope The Donald's posturing doesn't mean we need another war effort any time soon though, which is the only thing that pushes food security back up the agenda.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

250 hill lambs isn't a Saturday
Mornings work every week so doesn't justify a lot add in a windmill or two very nice thank you some around doing very nice thank you windmills easy money

Easy business rate from this year too.

 

[CharcoalWally]

Abandoned farms would revert to trees and scrub, which will prevent flooding of our towns and cities. They also make an ideal area to re-wild wolves and such like, with less inhabitants around to kick up a fuss. Better still, they already generally have roads and tracks in place, so the urban tourists can drive round and look at 'nature' doing it's thing.

A small number of "agri-environmentalists" as the piddling number of farmers left will be termed ,will require to be heftily subsidised to leave a tiny number of sheep knocking about as an invaluable food source for the re-wilded wolves , lynx , lions , Siberian tigers and tyrannosaurus rexes.

You won't be able to "check"your stock by a quad though , you'll need a Chieftain tank for your own safety.

Not that you'll have anything to check of course , they'll all have been eaten.....

 

[two-cylinder]

That's easy,cut income tax and put import tariffs up.

No government will put tariffs on imported food as that will add to inflation, and a cut in income or corporation tax will just lead to more indirect taxation for everyone by the back door.

 

[two-cylinder]

Rents down, fert down, fuel tax abolished, electronic tags abolished
Plenty of scope

Rents may decrease but rest won't happen.
Try again, if subs go overnight- where are individual farmers going to make up the difference?

 

[romneymarsh]

Rents may decrease but rest won't happen.
Try again, if subs go overnight- where are individual farmers going to make up the difference?

Support is not going to go over night .

We've been given 4 years notice!

The clock is ticking already.

 

[stugordon321]

I don't farm. (Have worked on a couple in past)
I don't really understand how subs are awarded or who does or doesn't get them "but" & this is where I get shot to peaces.
Why should farmers get paid subs when others don't?
I run a small fencing & landscape business & I don't get anything unless I earn it. Government "should" make laws to ensure all buyers ie tesco etc pay a reasonable price for everything. Dairy boys getting less than cost of production is crazy.
If a customer of mine buying a product off me was to pay less than production cost I wouldn't be in business, it's wrong to be paid less. This is what needs addressing over should subs stay or go.
Get rid of ALL subs make the big buyers pay the producers enough that they make a profit. Nice in principle but every business should make a profit end of.
No profit no business. Easier to say than make happen I know.

 

[two-cylinder]

I don't farm. (Have worked on a couple in past)
I don't really understand how subs are awarded or who does or doesn't get them "but" & this is where I get shot to peaces.
Why should farmers get paid subs when others don't?
I run a small fencing & landscape business & I don't get anything unless I earn it. Government "should" make laws to ensure all buyers ie tesco etc pay a reasonable price for everything. Dairy boys getting less than cost of production is crazy.
If a customer of mine buying a product off me was to pay less than production cost I wouldn't be in business, it's wrong to be paid less. This is what needs addressing over should subs stay or go.
Get rid of ALL subs make the big buyers pay the producers enough that they make a profit. Nice in principle but every business should make a profit end of.
No profit no business. Easier to say than make happen I know.

I agree with you.
But it's not going to happen- because government is against 'Guaranteed prices for farm commodities'

 

[holywell farmer]

The U.K. Dairy industry is hopefully recovering now.
All talk now is turning to brexit hard exit and the risk to the uk livestock industry.The sheep sector being the most talked about at the moment.
Are we going to face even tougher times or will something better be formed post Brexit???

Max respect to anyone milking in these tough times

 

[Wombat]

Max respect to anyone milking in these tough times

People always have a choice

 

[holywell farmer]

People always have a choice

Yes they do

 

[GTB]

Why should farmers get paid subs when others don't?

Subs were originally bought in to ensure food security. Farms were losing money and not able to produce enough food for the nation. Over the decades the purpose of subs has got lost in translation and now the public only see whingeing farmers complaining about their low income. What the public never see though is food shortages. I'm afraid they can't have it both ways.

 

[Kevtherev]

Also the amount of food wasted by the nation is enormous!!!
Silly really to produce quality food to not utilise it all....

 

[neilo]

Max respect to anyone milking in these tough times

It's all over now, the headlong rush towards overproduction is on again.

 

[Kevtherev]

@neilo opens a farm shop due to his low prices

 

[Kevtherev]

Neil's overdone it

 

[neilo]

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Neil's overdone it

The stuff of nightmares @Henarar @farmerclare . Fields full of fluffheads.