Ring dealer again or "feck em"

bobajob

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Location
Sw Scotland
No never did hear anything back even after 2 phone calls and 1 email, still not made my mind up yet on the other quote I got yet. For some reason the price has risen 700 since last year. I got pee'd off with it to be honest.

Ah thanks for the update. Not great that , don’t think I would be doing anymore chasing. Not surprised that the price has gone up, they will be blaming rising steel prices/ COVID/ Brexit.
Hearing of long lead times for some new machines- some more than a year!!
 

hally

Member
Location
cumbria
Ah thanks for the update. Not great that , don’t think I would be doing anymore chasing. Not surprised that the price has gone up, they will be blaming rising steel prices/ COVID/ Brexit.
Hearing of long lead times for some new machines- some more than a year!!
Problem is when people are cueing up to order your machine, discounts are going to be sparse. Why would they?
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
We must be extremely lucky in this area. I can honestly say I have never had to chase a machinery rep for a price. Most of them i have known for years and get on well with and would consider them friends.
 

bluebell

Member
shocked at how much salesmen are paid ? whats that ment to mean? ive had many years dealing with salemen or women for that matter, the ones i think that have the best jobs and pay, pensions, company cars freebies jollies abroad etc etc are the ones that represent massive brands, we had reps when we ran pubs from the big brewsers that had alsorts of jollies, reps from agriculture drug companies, multinational machinery companies ? reps that i had a certain sympathy for were or are the one man bands selfemployed that go round selling for small companies ?
 

hally

Member
Location
cumbria
shocked at how much salesmen are paid ? whats that ment to mean? ive had many years dealing with salemen or women for that matter, the ones i think that have the best jobs and pay, pensions, company cars freebies jollies abroad etc etc are the ones that represent massive brands, we had reps when we ran pubs from the big brewsers that had alsorts of jollies, reps from agriculture drug companies, multinational machinery companies ? reps that i had a certain sympathy for were or are the one man bands selfemployed that go round selling for small companies ?
Quite self explanatory I would have thought, a lot of livestock guys on here are selling stock/milk at prices that have no way kept up with inflation. They have survived through increased efficiency and subsidies that have benefitted the consumer and retailer far more than themselves. Most other salaried jobs have some level of inflationary correction built into their salaries. This is not a criticism of the level of sales peoples salaries merely a comment that our industry, because of a multitude of reasons, hasn’t kept pace.
 

bluebell

Member
its the market place ? supply and demand, ive said this before, ive keep sold animals for over 30 years, we grew wheat in the early 1980s then the saying was the first ton an acre paid for all the growing costs anything over that was profit ? livestock profitablity what little there was back then has slowly been arroded by many costs, from at one time being paid something by the knackerman for a loss to now having to pay to have it taken away and a sub for membership to national fallen stock scheme ? but no one makes me do this, like other businesses that have or are forced to packup thats how it is ?
 

marcot

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bury St Edmunds
It's a tough one. There does seem to be a lot of people on TFF who have zero response from salespeople and it mostly seems to be machinery orientated. I would endeavour for contact and deal with enquiries pretty quickly, phone within 24 hours (assuming I wasn't on holiday) and then go and visit in person within 5-7 days. Might even go on a weekend for the right client.

I can imagine the machinery world is full of all sorts mind and not all of them buyers who were genuinely going to buy something.
Thank you for the lovely offer of a weekend away......will we be sharing a bed and will I get flowers and champagne ?
 
The constant complaints about the machinery trade not following up on enquiries is an indication of some very badly run businesses.

An enquiry holds huge value, and should be treated with No 1 priority.

If a dealer does not respond within 24 hours then the business needs a make over, as it's failing.

Salesman are paid to generate opportunities and close sales, sales managers are their to ensure the business is driven forward and know every day what is going on in their department, an MD/Owner is also for the overview.

If I owned a business and my sales people were not following up on sales enquiry's, I would not be a happy bunny.
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Quite self explanatory I would have thought, a lot of livestock guys on here are selling stock/milk at prices that have no way kept up with inflation. They have survived through increased efficiency and subsidies that have benefitted the consumer and retailer far more than themselves. Most other salaried jobs have some level of inflationary correction built into their salaries. This is not a criticism of the level of sales peoples salaries merely a comment that our industry, because of a multitude of reasons, hasn’t kept pace.
l hate the phrase 'subsidised farmers', we are not, that money is removed from us, by the 'buyers' when they calculate how much/little they pay for our product. The 40% grants for technology, are nothing more than a 'bung' to the people that are inventing/developing those tech products, guv puts 40% in, we put 60% in, farmers have to find/borrow that money. The grants for 'public' good, are just a sop to the bunny lovers, which, in the end, will bite them on the arse, because none of them, will accept that without farmers, they will die.
Our rep came back with a text quote last night, rather than monday night, £6,000 dearer. At least he came back.
Many machinery deals, will involve similar amounts of money, as buying a house, and estate agents, are as keen as can be.
 
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bluebell

Member
farming is an almost unique business ? worked very well it seemed to me in the good old days upto the early 1980s ? didnt have to deal with the general public, got big tax advantages that other industries didnt get , case in point when we first bought our nursery in the late 1970s my father had a man from ADAS, remember them who came to see him and told, helped him with all the grants that were available and even how to apply for them if he wanted to ? Farming, agriculture, horticulture back then was so so different, planning laws didnt apply to them ? chemicals, weedkillers use what you want no control ? cattle i remember eartags wernt compulsary selling them was like the wildwest ?
 

Speculative coverage on the gene editing consultation response

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Speculative coverage on the gene editing consultation response

Written by Defra Press Office

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There has been coverage today in the I and the Guardian, reporting on speculation around the upcoming government response to the recent Gene Editing consultation, which closed on 17th March.

A full government response, which will include a thorough analysis and summary of the responses to the consultation and which will set out our next steps, will be published in due course.

Gene editing has the ability to harness the genetic resources that mother nature has provided, such as breeding...
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