No they charge for it. You do get a big folder, but that is just the start really.This is where a roving adviser to help small farmers comply with RT would pay dividends. Non confrontational, not an inspector just an informal adviser with some template or standard forms to get folks started, and a big lever arch file divided into the relevant sections.
You’d think the NFU would do this for free for paying members. Maybe they do. They would if they’d any sense. It’s their scheme they should help out with it.
You and your dad don’t do any work then?I read it with any farm with workers so as it’s me and dad and we don’t employ anyone I wasn’t doing it
I would argue that terminology of the standard then is ambiguous.You and your dad don’t do any work then?
It now requires a H&S policy to be in place regardless.
Taken from the what’s new document in red tractorView attachment 1004066
Not much room left for argument.
So another nice little earner for them as a spin off from their scheme. What do NFU members actually get for the sub then?No they charge for it. You do get a big folder, but that is just the start really.
The sentence highlighted in red is also not ambiguous. You are welcome to try and argue it, but you will be wasting your breath.Taken from the what’s new document in red tractor
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Health and Safety is a key industry issue. By law, you must have a Health and Safety policy in writing if you have more than five employees.
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The new standard requires all farms with workers to have a written Health and Safety policy. All Red Tractor farms should have a simple, clear approach to managing Health and Safety which can be independently verified. Given farm fatality figures, this is an important area
of focus.
I tried the “no staff” argument but RT said I had to have a written policy for visitors.Taken from the what’s new document in red tractor
STAFF
Health and Safety is a key industry issue. By law, you must have a Health and Safety policy in writing if you have more than five employees.
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The new standard requires all farms with workers to have a written Health and Safety policy. All Red Tractor farms should have a simple, clear approach to managing Health and Safety which can be independently verified. Given farm fatality figures, this is an important area
of focus.
In the end I will do the inspection and see what come of it, if they pull it up I will do it if not I won’t.The sentence highlighted in red is also not ambiguous. You are welcome to try and argue it, but you will be wasting your breath.
It is absolutely mission creep, and shouldn’t be part of a food safety standard.Absolutely f**k all to do with food standards. Mission creep. I'm not doing any more. I don't actually need to be assured till next November. I'm prepared to argue and drag my heels over the next 10 months.
Thanks for that. Cheap ( free ) and only 4 pages.I’m a one man band and don’t employ anyone but I did fill out a template to tick a RT box, I got it from here.
as for H & S, everyone has to have a policy and risk assessments, however they can quite legally be in an "unwritten format", the HSE did have some good templates on their website, I guess they are still there. If you have 4 or less employees, it does not need to be written, like wise risk assessments. The only thing that does need to be written is COSHH assessments, which entail getting manufacturer/supplier hazard data sheets, then undertaking an assessment based on that information. COSHH assessments are not only on things bought, but also on things created on the farm, eg dust from a grain drier, pigeon muck from old nests when painting/cleaning out eaves of sheds, also waste oil when servicing a tractor etc. Oh weils disease would be another I would want on a farm. By the way COSHH stands for control of substances hazardous to health.Before we start, I accept that these are two of the most contentious topics on this forum.
However.
I understand that even small farms are now required to have a health and safety policy (including farm risk assessment) to comply with the new standards.
I am reluctantly going to carry on as a member, so what do I need to have in place to comply? I don't want to pay someone to come in and draw up a policy. If you have done your own, what were the most useful info sources/templates? I have done a forum search and haven't really found anything relevant.
Thanks for any useful replies, can we keep the usual knee-jerk reactions to a minimum?
yes, but the law says the policy can be in an unwritten format, so policy is in place.View attachment 1004066
Not much room left for argument.