Risk assessment/health and safety policy requirements for Red Tractor

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
This is where a roving adviser to help small farmers comply with RT would pay dividends. Non confrontational, not an inspector just an informal adviser with some template or standard forms to get folks started, and a big lever arch file divided into the relevant sections.
You’d think the NFU would do this for free for paying members. Maybe they do. They would if they’d any sense. It’s their scheme they should help out with it.
No they charge for it. You do get a big folder, but that is just the start really.
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
I read it with any farm with workers as previously it was if you had 5 or more they employ so as it’s me and dad and we don’t employ anyone I wasn’t doing it
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
You and your dad don’t do any work then?

It now requires a H&S policy to be in place regardless.
I would argue that terminology of the standard then is ambiguous.

as it says any farm with workers, if it is all farms the workers should not be mentioned and it should just say all farms
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
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Not much room left for argument.
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
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Not much room left for argument.
Taken from the what’s new document in red tractor

STAFF
Health and Safety is a key industry issue. By law, you must have a Health and Safety policy in writing if you have more than five employees.
PL.5
The new standard requires all farms with workers to have a written Health and Safety policy. All Red Tractor farms should have a simple, clear approach to managing Health and Safety which can be independently verified. Given farm fatality figures, this is an important area
of focus.


why say all farms with workers rather than all farms then
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Taken from the what’s new document in red tractor

STAFF
Health and Safety is a key industry issue. By law, you must have a Health and Safety policy in writing if you have more than five employees.
PL.5
The new standard requires all farms with workers to have a written Health and Safety policy. All Red Tractor farms should have a simple, clear approach to managing Health and Safety which can be independently verified. Given farm fatality figures, this is an important area
of focus.

The sentence highlighted in red is also not ambiguous. You are welcome to try and argue it, but you will be wasting your breath.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Taken from the what’s new document in red tractor

STAFF
Health and Safety is a key industry issue. By law, you must have a Health and Safety policy in writing if you have more than five employees.
PL.5
The new standard requires all farms with workers to have a written Health and Safety policy. All Red Tractor farms should have a simple, clear approach to managing Health and Safety which can be independently verified. Given farm fatality figures, this is an important area
of focus.

I tried the “no staff” argument but RT said I had to have a written policy for visitors.
Wasn’t that arduous. The signage cost a bit though.
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
The sentence highlighted in red is also not ambiguous. You are welcome to try and argue it, but you will be wasting your breath.
In the end I will do the inspection and see what come of it, if they pull it up I will do it if not I won’t.

after last year getting pulled up for a change in the rules which supposedly had happened but hadn’t been published and I was supposed to abide by which is now not even in the new rules I have lost interest.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Absolutely f**k all to do with food standards. Mission creep. I'm not doing any more. I don't actually need to be assured till next November. I'm prepared to argue and drag my heels over the next 10 months.
It is absolutely mission creep, and shouldn’t be part of a food safety standard.
HSE is a sound idea but should not be within the remit of the RT inspector. Same as waste disposal and a host of other things they’ve added on but I’m over a barrel with 200 tons of wheat going in January so I’d no choice but to suck it up. 🤨
 

Barleymow

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Ipswich
Do we have supply ppe ,steel toe capped boots, hard hat ,high viz etc for the assessor not. I suppose with covid best if they bring their own .I've asked for Id before from freedom food inspectior on the pigs
 
Location
southwest
Every business should have a written H &S policy. I think it's a legal requirement if you have more than 5 employees, but I would say that for even a "one man band" farmer who will still have vets, contractors and numerous other people visiting the farm on "official" business, there should be a written Policy. Doesn't have to be long-wear PPE, be aware of machinery and livestock, don't go to certain areas without permission etc etc. but every visitor should sign or be given a copy.

Remember, legally you are responsible for anyone who is on your property so you need something in place even if it's just in case a Rep wanders around the yard and stands on a bit of wood with a nail in it!
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Before we start, I accept that these are two of the most contentious topics on this forum.

However.

I understand that even small farms are now required to have a health and safety policy (including farm risk assessment) to comply with the new standards.
I am reluctantly going to carry on as a member, so what do I need to have in place to comply? I don't want to pay someone to come in and draw up a policy. If you have done your own, what were the most useful info sources/templates? I have done a forum search and haven't really found anything relevant.

Thanks for any useful replies, can we keep the usual knee-jerk reactions to a minimum?
as for H & S, everyone has to have a policy and risk assessments, however they can quite legally be in an "unwritten format", the HSE did have some good templates on their website, I guess they are still there. If you have 4 or less employees, it does not need to be written, like wise risk assessments. The only thing that does need to be written is COSHH assessments, which entail getting manufacturer/supplier hazard data sheets, then undertaking an assessment based on that information. COSHH assessments are not only on things bought, but also on things created on the farm, eg dust from a grain drier, pigeon muck from old nests when painting/cleaning out eaves of sheds, also waste oil when servicing a tractor etc. Oh weils disease would be another I would want on a farm. By the way COSHH stands for control of substances hazardous to health.
 

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