Risk assessment/health and safety policy requirements for Red Tractor

[ewald]

Many thanks for all the replies - I have some useful links/ideas now and will be able to cobble something together, certainly enough to satisfy the inspection.

I totally agree with some of the points made regarding the inclusion of health and safety into the scheme - definite case of mission creep, which will only get worse if it is allowed to continue. The fact that they have seen fit to exceed the requirements of the HSE is another indication of the empire building mentality of those running the system.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Even walkers ?

we have a duty of care to all who come onto our land, even trespassers! If someone jumped onto a tractor and killed them selves the tractor owner would be liable for leaving the keys in it!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Completely agree. And the Severn Trent water workers all lit up cigarettes on the yard, oblivious to barns of straw and a no smoking sign . I’ve taken plenty of pics for evidence and sent an email to the agents that manage the reservoirs , German Fisher. But email bounced back with out of the office until 4th January .

We deal with Fisher German, with the wind farm, I would not want to write on a public forum my opinions of Fisher German.

 

[nick...]

Been searching again this morning.got a 36 page one saved on iPad and downloaded a 3 page hse template and filled in and a Nfu template and filled that in too.hope that will be ok.now got to find a safety at work Poster to display,hopefully on amazon
nick...

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Been searching again this morning.got a 36 page one saved on iPad and downloaded a 3 page hse template and filled in and a Nfu template and filled that in too.hope that will be ok.now got to find a safety at work Poster to display,hopefully on amazon
nick...

you don't need a HSE poster, you can get a two page information sheet from the HSE which you give to every employee instead, or display a poster at each site of work (and this must include the details filled in and a copy of the employers liability insurance too), I used to see a copy in each site office on every site.

 

[nick...]

you don't need a HSE poster, you can get a two page information sheet from the HSE which you give to every employee instead, or display a poster at each site of work (and this must include the details filled in and a copy of the employers liability insurance too), I used to see a copy in each site office on every site.

Worst thing is it’s only me here and spend a lot of time away on site work .no empoyees either
nick...

 

[7610 super q]

we have a duty of care to all who come onto our land, even trespassers! If someone jumped onto a tractor and killed them selves the tractor owner would be liable for leaving the keys in it!

I don't agree. I think it's time folks started to take responsibility for their own actions. We have public liability insurance in case trespassers do themselves an injury. We now have to have contractors insurance incase the contractors don't have their own insurance.....

Local builder a few years ago found that one of his staff had taken upon himself ( during his lunch break ) to crawl across a roof and help himself to a skylight window on a building that was being demolished. He fell though, and did himself some serious injury. Builder had to pay compo. More or less the end of his business.
At this rate, every single industry in this country will be exported to countries with a more pragmatic approach to H & S. Most frustrating.

 

[Tarw Coch]

I don't agree. I think it's time folks started to take responsibility for their own actions. We have public liability insurance in case trespassers do themselves an injury. We now have to have contractors insurance incase the contractors don't have their own insurance.....

Local builder a few years ago found that one of his staff had taken upon himself ( during his lunch break ) to crawl across a roof and help himself to a skylight window on a building that was being demolished. He fell though, and did himself some serious injury. Builder had to pay compo. More or less the end of his business.
At this rate, every single industry in this country will be exported to countries with a more pragmatic approach to H & S. Most frustrating.

Tend to agree, folk doing things they know they’re not supposed to or even worse with criminal intent should do so at their own risk

 

[Yonlass]

I’m a one man band and don’t employ anyone but I did fill out a template to tick a RT box, I got it from here.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/simple-health-safety/policy/example-policy-statement.pdf

Thanks for that. Cheap ( free ) and only 4 pages.

I just have to get my name changed by deed poll to John Daley now.........

Many thanks for all the replies - I have some useful links/ideas now and will be able to cobble something together, certainly enough to satisfy the inspection.

I totally agree with some of the points made regarding the inclusion of health and safety into the scheme - definite case of mission creep, which will only get worse if it is allowed to continue. The fact that they have seen fit to exceed the requirements of the HSE is another indication of the empire building mentality of those running the system.

This was the simplest template that I found online. Free, and you can fill in your details and print it out.
Red Tractor assessor was très impressed Said we were the first farm he'd actually seen with one, and took the link with him.

(And I'm not with the NFU either......)

Health and Safety for Small Businesses

Managing health and safety doesn’t have to be complicated or time consuming. For many small businesses, a basic series of practical tasks will help to protect you and your employees from harm and at the same time help protect your business.

www.nfumutual.co.uk

 

[nick...]

This was the simplest template that I found online. Free, and you can fill in your details and print it out.
Red Tractor assessor was très impressed Said we were the first farm he'd actually seen with one, and took the link with him.

(And I'm not with the NFU either......)

Health and Safety for Small Businesses

Managing health and safety doesn’t have to be complicated or time consuming. For many small businesses, a basic series of practical tasks will help to protect you and your employees from harm and at the same time help protect your business.

www.nfumutual.co.uk

I filled in that one this morning.there is even a sample copy so you can copy that when filling in your own copy
nick...

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I don't agree. I think it's time folks started to take responsibility for their own actions. We have public liability insurance in case trespassers do themselves an injury. We now have to have contractors insurance incase the contractors don't have their own insurance.....

Local builder a few years ago found that one of his staff had taken upon himself ( during his lunch break ) to crawl across a roof and help himself to a skylight window on a building that was being demolished. He fell though, and did himself some serious injury. Builder had to pay compo. More or less the end of his business.
At this rate, every single industry in this country will be exported to countries with a more pragmatic approach to H & S. Most frustrating.

I think there could have been a good case to argue that the employee was on a servants frolic

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I don't agree. I think it's time folks started to take responsibility for their own actions, I am only giving my opinion of the law as it stands, maybe there are lawyers on this forum who could give a more knowledgeable opinion. I was told on my NEBOSH course that there have been cases where children broke into a factory, drove the forklifts, had an accident, and the owner of the factory was found guilty because they had not locked away the forklift keys.

 

[Wombat]

I filled in that one this morning.there is even a sample copy so you can copy that when filling in your own copy
nick...

Those things always read ridiculously when there is only one person noted on it.

 

[B'o'B]

I don't agree. I think it's time folks started to take responsibility for their own actions, I am only giving my opinion of the law as it stands, maybe there are lawyers on this forum who could give a more knowledgeable opinion. I was told on my NEBOSH course that there have been cases where children broke into a factory, drove the forklifts, had an accident, and the owner of the factory was found guilty because they had not locked away the forklift keys.

Where does it end? Following that logic the factory owner should be able to counter sue the kids parents for having the kids in the first place !!

If the keys were in a locked factory, surely they were locked away?

 

[Raggy]

When, in the middle of a Red Tractor Assessment a Chinook Helicopter flew overhead and I had the Inspector / Assessor suggest that I should perhaps think doing about a Risk Assessment in case one should fly into one of the Wind Turbines on my land I really had to bite my tongue.

 

[Vader]

I tried the “no staff” argument but RT said I had to have a written policy for visitors.
Wasn’t that arduous. The signage cost a bit though.

I wonder how many visitors on the farmstead die each year..?
From what I see it tends to be mainly the farmer/worker who pops it.
Never seen any headlines of a visitors kicking the bucket.

 

[7610 super q]

I wonder how many visitors on the farmstead die each year..?
From what I see it tends to be mainly the farmer/worker who pops it.
Never seen any headlines of a visitors kicking the bucket.

Other than dog owners skirmishing with cattle..........

 

[Vader]

Other than dog owners skirmishing with cattle..........

Yes but thats in the fields, I talking about in the farmstead where visitors/reps/lorrys come.

We put signs up each year on the 1 footpath through the land where it goes through grazing land, warning that cows with calfs in field etc,
They normally last a week before they torn down.

On another thought.
If I spray a crop and trespasser walks through it 10mins later and gets ill, is it my fault for not having a secure fence round land?

 

[betweenthelines]

I wonder how many visitors on the farmstead die each year..?
From what I see it tends to be mainly the farmer/worker who pops it.
Never seen any headlines of a visitors kicking the bucket.

"Visitor" could be anyone not normally working on the farm.

I seem to remember accidents covered on TFF include a school age person who helped out at weekends getting caught in an unguarded PTO shaft and a Contracor's employee falling from a piece of equipment.

 

[betweenthelines]

I don't agree. I think it's time folks started to take responsibility for their own actions. We have public liability insurance in case trespassers do themselves an injury. We now have to have contractors insurance incase the contractors don't have their own insurance.....

Local builder a few years ago found that one of his staff had taken upon himself ( during his lunch break ) to crawl across a roof and help himself to a skylight window on a building that was being demolished. He fell though, and did himself some serious injury. Builder had to pay compo. More or less the end of his business.
At this rate, every single industry in this country will be exported to countries with a more pragmatic approach to H & S. Most frustrating.

Makes f all difference whether you agree or not-the Law is the Law!