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River Lugg, Herefordshire
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I'm disappointed by the JFDI mentality, rivers aren't just about moving water quickly down to someone else's patch.
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I'm not a hippy, I'm not anti farmer although I do read the Guardian. Our rivers are in a terrible state, I don't want landowners turning them into canals or beavers blocking them up. I don't wan't trees in them, I really have a problem with phosphates from chicken farms and untreated sewage killing my local rivers which include the Lugg.
This thread has flamed anyone who's dared to suggest that the Lugg farmer bloke was wrong. I'm not looking for an argument - I've been on the forum for a while and like it here, but he was wrong.
I'm not saying the Environment Agency is right, far from it, they're obviously not fit for purpose given the state of the Wye and Lugg.
What I am saying is that our rivers mean different things to different people, we all have valid reasons for getting grumpy about the state they're in.
What I want is the grown ups to take over, a load of clever people to make the right decisions and get our waterways back on track.
My vested interested for the record - a 4 year old daughter, her 6 year old brother is in the back out for an evening paddle on the Wye immediately below the Lugg confluence. We'd paddled the Lugg early that morning with young salmon jumping beside us, in the evening we saw an egret and some funny little walking birds with yellow legs.
We get out in a canoe every week, their 4 month old brother isn't quite ready to join them but when he is I'd rather he wasn't swimming in a phosphate rich green algae bloom like his siblings do now.
Sewage sleuths: the men who revealed the slow, dirty death of Welsh and English rivers
The long read: A tide of effluent, broken laws and ruthless cuts is devastating the nations’ waterways. An academic and a detective have dredged up the truth of how it was allowed to happen – but will anything be done?
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Its legalised crime that has allowed the water companies to pollute at will and the likes of the EA to absolve themselves from maintainence while also still demanding drainage rates through the IDB's. From what i hear and read large parts of the lugg are blocked with trees so you wouldnt be able to canoe up it. The wye is full of salmon regardless of the propaganda and that comes from a friend who spends alot of money paying to fish it.I'm disappointed by the JFDI mentality, rivers aren't just about moving water quickly down to someone else's patch.
Rivers Lifeblood (2020) | Radio Times
It’s hard to appreciate just how important rivers are to our planet, both to the natural world and our own lives. They nurture our crops, fuel our trawww.radiotimes.com
I'm not a hippy, I'm not anti farmer although I do read the Guardian. Our rivers are in a terrible state, I don't want landowners turning them into canals or beavers blocking them up. I don't wan't trees in them, I really have a problem with phosphates from chicken farms and untreated sewage killing my local rivers which include the Lugg.
This thread has flamed anyone who's dared to suggest that the Lugg farmer bloke was wrong. I'm not looking for an argument - I've been on the forum for a while and like it here, but he was wrong.
I'm not saying the Environment Agency is right, far from it, they're obviously not fit for purpose given the state of the Wye and Lugg.
What I am saying is that our rivers mean different things to different people, we all have valid reasons for getting grumpy about the state they're in.
What I want is the grown ups to take over, a load of clever people to make the right decisions and get our waterways back on track.
My vested interested for the record - a 4 year old daughter, her 6 year old brother is in the back out for an evening paddle on the Wye immediately below the Lugg confluence. We'd paddled the Lugg early that morning with young salmon jumping beside us, in the evening we saw an egret and some funny little walking birds with yellow legs.
We get out in a canoe every week, their 4 month old brother isn't quite ready to join them but when he is I'd rather he wasn't swimming in a phosphate rich green algae bloom like his siblings do now.
Sewage sleuths: the men who revealed the slow, dirty death of Welsh and English rivers
The long read: A tide of effluent, broken laws and ruthless cuts is devastating the nations’ waterways. An academic and a detective have dredged up the truth of how it was allowed to happen – but will anything be done?
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Rivers that are allowed to flow will also have lower levels of pollution . Rivers arent supposed to be stagnant ponds.
is your house at risk of flooding because of poorly maintained rivers ?I'm disappointed by the JFDI mentality, rivers aren't just about moving water quickly down to someone else's patch.
Rivers Lifeblood (2020) | Radio Times
It’s hard to appreciate just how important rivers are to our planet, both to the natural world and our own lives. They nurture our crops, fuel our trawww.radiotimes.com
I'm not a hippy, I'm not anti farmer although I do read the Guardian. Our rivers are in a terrible state, I don't want landowners turning them into canals or beavers blocking them up. I don't wan't trees in them, I really have a problem with phosphates from chicken farms and untreated sewage killing my local rivers which include the Lugg.
This thread has flamed anyone who's dared to suggest that the Lugg farmer bloke was wrong. I'm not looking for an argument - I've been on the forum for a while and like it here, but he was wrong.
I'm not saying the Environment Agency is right, far from it, they're obviously not fit for purpose given the state of the Wye and Lugg.
What I am saying is that our rivers mean different things to different people, we all have valid reasons for getting grumpy about the state they're in.
What I want is the grown ups to take over, a load of clever people to make the right decisions and get our waterways back on track.
My vested interested for the record - a 4 year old daughter, her 6 year old brother is in the back out for an evening paddle on the Wye immediately below the Lugg confluence. We'd paddled the Lugg early that morning with young salmon jumping beside us, in the evening we saw an egret and some funny little walking birds with yellow legs.
We get out in a canoe every week, their 4 month old brother isn't quite ready to join them but when he is I'd rather he wasn't swimming in a phosphate rich green algae bloom like his siblings do now.
Sewage sleuths: the men who revealed the slow, dirty death of Welsh and English rivers
The long read: A tide of effluent, broken laws and ruthless cuts is devastating the nations’ waterways. An academic and a detective have dredged up the truth of how it was allowed to happen – but will anything be done?
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rivers flood quite naturally and where they flood probably shouldn't have been built on but it has been and still is being built on so ongoing maintenance to keep the water in the river is necessary to stop houses flooding
I would agree with much of what you say.I'm disappointed by the JFDI mentality, rivers aren't just about moving water quickly down to someone else's patch.
Rivers Lifeblood (2020) | Radio Times
It’s hard to appreciate just how important rivers are to our planet, both to the natural world and our own lives. They nurture our crops, fuel our trawww.radiotimes.com
I'm not a hippy, I'm not anti farmer although I do read the Guardian. Our rivers are in a terrible state, I don't want landowners turning them into canals or beavers blocking them up. I don't wan't trees in them, I really have a problem with phosphates from chicken farms and untreated sewage killing my local rivers which include the Lugg.
This thread has flamed anyone who's dared to suggest that the Lugg farmer bloke was wrong. I'm not looking for an argument - I've been on the forum for a while and like it here, but he was wrong.
I'm not saying the Environment Agency is right, far from it, they're obviously not fit for purpose given the state of the Wye and Lugg.
What I am saying is that our rivers mean different things to different people, we all have valid reasons for getting grumpy about the state they're in.
What I want is the grown ups to take over, a load of clever people to make the right decisions and get our waterways back on track.
My vested interested for the record - a 4 year old daughter, her 6 year old brother is in the back out for an evening paddle on the Wye immediately below the Lugg confluence. We'd paddled the Lugg early that morning with young salmon jumping beside us, in the evening we saw an egret and some funny little walking birds with yellow legs.
We get out in a canoe every week, their 4 month old brother isn't quite ready to join them but when he is I'd rather he wasn't swimming in a phosphate rich green algae bloom like his siblings do now.
Sewage sleuths: the men who revealed the slow, dirty death of Welsh and English rivers
The long read: A tide of effluent, broken laws and ruthless cuts is devastating the nations’ waterways. An academic and a detective have dredged up the truth of how it was allowed to happen – but will anything be done?
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From the pictures I’ve seen of the Lugg it looks like the guy has pretty well culverted it.
Should he be punished for it? Absolutely not. Since the EA which is responsible for maintaining the river, utterly failed in it’s responsibilities it can’t start moaning if someone else steps in and does the job for them.
Rivers are not just about moving a lot of water quickly, but should be able when the need arises, it’s just not on to have peoples’ houses flooding unnecessarily.
The EA failed to maintain the river bank at a village near here, with the result that it breached and flooded the entire village, drowning hundreds of sheep in the process and forcing the village school to relocate elsewhere for six months.
The enquiry that followed refused to apportion blame, but we know the bankings were full of mole runs and rabbit holes.
They are very keen on mowing the banks, either with their top of the range tractor and flail or those stupid remote control tracked mowers that must cost an absolute fortune. But there again, they never seem to mow the waterside of the banks where it would actually do some good.
Your right to say it needs some grown ups in charge.
Unfortunately all the grown ups left when the National Rivers Authority was abolished, because they could see where it was all going.
Half the white hard hat and immaculately clean hi-vis brigade in charge there now I don’t think realise that water flows downhill. Or so it seems.
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
As a Herefordian I agree we need clean rivers but the maintenance has beenI'm disappointed by the JFDI mentality, rivers aren't just about moving water quickly down to someone else's patch.
Rivers Lifeblood (2020) | Radio Times
It’s hard to appreciate just how important rivers are to our planet, both to the natural world and our own lives. They nurture our crops, fuel our trawww.radiotimes.com
I'm not a hippy, I'm not anti farmer although I do read the Guardian. Our rivers are in a terrible state, I don't want landowners turning them into canals or beavers blocking them up. I don't wan't trees in them, I really have a problem with phosphates from chicken farms and untreated sewage killing my local rivers which include the Lugg.
This thread has flamed anyone who's dared to suggest that the Lugg farmer bloke was wrong. I'm not looking for an argument - I've been on the forum for a while and like it here, but he was wrong.
I'm not saying the Environment Agency is right, far from it, they're obviously not fit for purpose given the state of the Wye and Lugg.
What I am saying is that our rivers mean different things to different people, we all have valid reasons for getting grumpy about the state they're in.
What I want is the grown ups to take over, a load of clever people to make the right decisions and get our waterways back on track.
My vested interested for the record - a 4 year old daughter, her 6 year old brother is in the back out for an evening paddle on the Wye immediately below the Lugg confluence. We'd paddled the Lugg early that morning with young salmon jumping beside us, in the evening we saw an egret and some funny little walking birds with yellow legs.
We get out in a canoe every week, their 4 month old brother isn't quite ready to join them but when he is I'd rather he wasn't swimming in a phosphate rich green algae bloom like his siblings do now.
Sewage sleuths: the men who revealed the slow, dirty death of Welsh and English rivers
The long read: A tide of effluent, broken laws and ruthless cuts is devastating the nations’ waterways. An academic and a detective have dredged up the truth of how it was allowed to happen – but will anything be done?
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appalling over the last 30 years .Too much power and money has gone towards
enviromental groups with dubious intentions and damaging consequences.
We even have a anti farming house builder to contend with .The hypocrisy of certain individuals is cringe worthy .
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
My aunt just went to a meeting in Marden Church yesterday, a catamaran was sailed up the Wye and Lugg to highlight the Phosphate pollution in the River.I'm disappointed by the JFDI mentality, rivers aren't just about moving water quickly down to someone else's patch.
Rivers Lifeblood (2020) | Radio Times
It’s hard to appreciate just how important rivers are to our planet, both to the natural world and our own lives. They nurture our crops, fuel our trawww.radiotimes.com
I'm not a hippy, I'm not anti farmer although I do read the Guardian. Our rivers are in a terrible state, I don't want landowners turning them into canals or beavers blocking them up. I don't wan't trees in them, I really have a problem with phosphates from chicken farms and untreated sewage killing my local rivers which include the Lugg.
This thread has flamed anyone who's dared to suggest that the Lugg farmer bloke was wrong. I'm not looking for an argument - I've been on the forum for a while and like it here, but he was wrong.
I'm not saying the Environment Agency is right, far from it, they're obviously not fit for purpose given the state of the Wye and Lugg.
What I am saying is that our rivers mean different things to different people, we all have valid reasons for getting grumpy about the state they're in.
What I want is the grown ups to take over, a load of clever people to make the right decisions and get our waterways back on track.
My vested interested for the record - a 4 year old daughter, her 6 year old brother is in the back out for an evening paddle on the Wye immediately below the Lugg confluence. We'd paddled the Lugg early that morning with young salmon jumping beside us, in the evening we saw an egret and some funny little walking birds with yellow legs.
We get out in a canoe every week, their 4 month old brother isn't quite ready to join them but when he is I'd rather he wasn't swimming in a phosphate rich green algae bloom like his siblings do now.
Sewage sleuths: the men who revealed the slow, dirty death of Welsh and English rivers
The long read: A tide of effluent, broken laws and ruthless cuts is devastating the nations’ waterways. An academic and a detective have dredged up the truth of how it was allowed to happen – but will anything be done?
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I don't know where the Phosphate pollution comes from, is it Chicken farms in Powys? Or water companies letting out raw sewage? Or housing developments with Phosphates from washing powder or washing up machines? Or for that matter slurry from Dairy farms?
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- Yorkshire
Whether we think the farmers actions in dredging the river were right or wrong, I hope we'd all agree that the level of pollution in all of rivers, irrespective of where it comes from needs to dramatically improve.
Without wanting to create an argument SOME of that sewage is YOURS and your families,how much more are you prepared to pay to stop the discharges that happen after rain ? Every single litre you put down your drain eventually goes into a river even after treatment it will contain some nutrients. I agree that some farmers spread chicken sh!t on ground that then gets washed off and that is just as bad, the difference is that there are rules that should stop it happening all our sewage is allowed by law to end up in rivers, I personally have three outfalls from pumps that are situated against either my ditches or rivers where the overflows are piped into them when they either break down or cant cope with heavy rain.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I think there is a problem when the statutory bodies don't do their jobs, and the public step in and have to do them, the public don't necessarily do the job correctly. It is a bit rich for the statutory bodies to then "get the pig on them" because someone else has had to do their job.
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
Interesting point ,perhaps righteous conservationists use other means and
live bare foot in mud huts .
I would like to know what stretches of wye and lugg they sailed the catamaran on because it would be impossible in alot of places. There hasnt been any chicken muck spread for months and months so its not possible for it to cause pollution during droughts
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Most likely all of the above but the relative proportions will vary in different parts of the river.
STW outfalls are a much bigger contributor in many rivers than the water industry or EA have ever acknowledged. In our local rivers here the phosphate peaks are massive immediately below most STW outfalls
That doesn't mean farm runoff isn't contributing though.
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laughable. Slinging in that slight against "chicken farmers" Its the sewage works on the river causing most of the "problem". NRW dont seem to blame the radnor "chicken farms" either. We get bombarded by the local news in powys about how the wye is so polluted, yet the same group making these claims let slip about how well the elan is doing with regards to salmon and trout numbers and even a resurgence of eels, news on that project has since gone very hush as it doesnt look good for their antifarming rewilding agenda.I'm disappointed by the JFDI mentality, rivers aren't just about moving water quickly down to someone else's patch.
I really have a problem with phosphates from chicken farms and untreated sewage killing my local rivers which include the Lugg.Rivers Lifeblood (2020) | Radio Times
It’s hard to appreciate just how important rivers are to our planet, both to the natural world and our own lives. They nurture our crops, fuel our trawww.radiotimes.com
This thread has flamed anyone who's dared to suggest that the Lugg farmer bloke was wrong. I'm not looking for an argument - I've been on the forum for a while and like it here, but he was wrong.
Sewage sleuths: the men who revealed the slow, dirty death of Welsh and English rivers
The long read: A tide of effluent, broken laws and ruthless cuts is devastating the nations’ waterways. An academic and a detective have dredged up the truth of how it was allowed to happen – but will anything be done?
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- Northumberland
Meanwhile, has the responsible statutory authority (ie the Environment Agency) managed to tell the difference between silt, clay and peat in East Anglia yet? 9 months and counting (mutters *muppets*)…
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
Are there many chicken farms around the Elan area ?Haven't been up there for a while.Quite a few in the Radnor valley and Hay on Wye area .
i wouldnt have thought there where many no, but considering that the elan is a tributary of the wye and salmon are migratory....
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- Lincolnshire
Thing is, it's easy to blame the jfdi mentality. However, this would be needed less if the EA didn't adopt the "actively spend money on consultants just to find an excuse never to actually do anything" mentality. It's was pretty clear from pictures of the bridge that work should have been done by the authorities at a much earlier stage. Little and often.
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