River Lugg, Herefordshire

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Ffermer Bach

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The landowner pays for that, yes? I can see why you guys would be disappointed that it wasn’t being done.

Up here, I maintain my own water courses and drainage, so the blame would be mine without doubt. If I was there, I’d be maintaining mine too, as much as I was permitted to do.
I was in Tir Gofal (the entry level scheme) and to get the points, I fenced in the stream (streamside corridor), so it is impossible to maintain anything now, so on the other hand, the government are paying farmers not to maintain the sides of watercourses.
 

thorpe

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If anyone is in any doubt as to the grief beavers can cause, ask the Americans. They build dams across all sorts of waterways in the USA, often in culverts and storm drains where it becomes a difficult and onerous task to remove them. Once they appear in big numbers, the fun will really begin.
have alook on you tube they cause chaos, why the hell do we want to reintraduce them beats me!
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
I was in Tir Gofal (the entry level scheme) and to get the points, I fenced in the stream (streamside corridor), so it is impossible to maintain anything now, so on the other hand, the government are paying farmers not to maintain the sides of watercourses.
Why would a fence make maintenance impossible?
 

Pilatus

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Location
cotswolds
The trouble is the general public and EA etc forget that nature is a great healer and given a growing season , I expect it would all look nice and green again, as if it had not been touched.
 

quattro

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Location
scotland
The trouble is the general public and EA etc forget that nature is a great healer and given a growing season , I expect it would all look nice and green again, as if it had not been touched.
someone has to decide in this country whether you have flooding and nice grown up water courses/rivers
or ditches and rivers that work , also how does nature look when under 4ft of flood water
also they mention wetland areas, I put one in years ago in a scheme and in winter is just a bog
fine in summer it drys out ,and at beginning of winter does absorb moisture till it’s full then just runs off
 

bluebell

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build build build on thousands and thousands of acres everyyear ? oh thats all right to ease the strain balance the books? create wildlife parks, rewild the remaining parts, the people have to be told this is the right thing to do ? we are cancelling culture all the things done in the past were, are wrong its a new time dont argue ?
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Council dug some drains and chucked the clay they dug out over the over side of the road in the ditch making the water run down across our field when in rained, I phoned them up and told them about it they said they couldn't do it for 10 days I told them if they were not out that day I was going up there with my digger and I would put it in the middle of the road, they were out there in a couple hours.
I would have done it to I was that fecking mad

Good Man!
 

hootbe

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KINGSLAND FARMER HAS BEEN IN TROUBLE BEFORE
"Multiple government agencies are investigating damage to a protected riverbank carried out by a farmer with a 16-tonne bulldozer in November on a stretch of the River Lugg near Kingsland, Herefordshire," reports
Private Eye Magazine
, in their latest issue.
"…In a furious interview with the Hereford Times, he [landowner John Price] reportedly warned that officials should lose their jobs if they take him to court over the works, stating that 'they don't know who they've taken on here'.
"Fighting words. Except the local Environment Agency SHOULD know who Mr Price is, given that it has previously taken him to court for, er, illegal river works.
"EA staff carrying out a routine low flow inspection about five miles from Kingsland in 2007 noticed that Stretford Brook was dry because a dam had been built to allow extraction of water despite the low flow.
"Price pleaded guilt to damming the brook illegally and was fined a total of £10,000 for two offences under the Water Resources Act 1991."
 

Werzle

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Midlands
KINGSLAND FARMER HAS BEEN IN TROUBLE BEFORE
"Multiple government agencies are investigating damage to a protected riverbank carried out by a farmer with a 16-tonne bulldozer in November on a stretch of the River Lugg near Kingsland, Herefordshire," reports
Private Eye Magazine
, in their latest issue.
"…In a furious interview with the Hereford Times, he [landowner John Price] reportedly warned that officials should lose their jobs if they take him to court over the works, stating that 'they don't know who they've taken on here'.
"Fighting words. Except the local Environment Agency SHOULD know who Mr Price is, given that it has previously taken him to court for, er, illegal river works.
"EA staff carrying out a routine low flow inspection about five miles from Kingsland in 2007 noticed that Stretford Brook was dry because a dam had been built to allow extraction of water despite the low flow.
"Price pleaded guilt to damming the brook illegally and was fined a total of £10,000 for two offences under the Water Resources Act 1991."
Probably saved hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of spuds so 10k was money well spent. Water abstraction is a joke nowadays, strawberry barons are the worst offenders.
 
Posted at 10:5710:57
Flood warning for Lincolnshire Village
A flood warning has been issued for the village of Swaton, near Sleaford.
Flood map

EACopyright: EA
The Environment Agency (EA) says rain, and sleet have already caused some flooding on low-lying land and roads.
It says it now expects water to affect homes and low-lying properties near the Swaton Eau on West Street are most at risk.
Staff have been sent to monitor flood defences and clear blockages, according to the EA.

Stable door/horse???
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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Midlands
Posted at 10:5710:57
Flood warning for Lincolnshire Village
A flood warning has been issued for the village of Swaton, near Sleaford.
View attachment 933652
EACopyright: EA
The Environment Agency (EA) says rain, and sleet have already caused some flooding on low-lying land and roads.
It says it now expects water to affect homes and low-lying properties near the Swaton Eau on West Street are most at risk.
Staff have been sent to monitor flood defences and clear blockages, according to the EA.

Stable door/horse???

Paying the Black Sluice IDB to turn the pumps on to lower the level of the South Forty Foot Drain would be cheaper & more effective...
 

lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
:banghead:
KINGSLAND FARMER HAS BEEN IN TROUBLE BEFORE
"Multiple government agencies are investigating damage to a protected riverbank carried out by a farmer with a 16-tonne bulldozer in November on a stretch of the River Lugg near Kingsland, Herefordshire," reports
Private Eye Magazine
, in their latest issue.
"…In a furious interview with the Hereford Times, he [landowner John Price] reportedly warned that officials should lose their jobs if they take him to court over the works, stating that 'they don't know who they've taken on here'.
"Fighting words. Except the local Environment Agency SHOULD know who Mr Price is, given that it has previously taken him to court for, er, illegal river works.
"EA staff carrying out a routine low flow inspection about five miles from Kingsland in 2007 noticed that Stretford Brook was dry because a dam had been built to allow extraction of water despite the low flow.
"Price pleaded guilt to damming the brook illegally and was fined a total of £10,000 for two offences under the Water Resources Act 1991."

Ah I see your a new member, so are you a farmer ,wildlife activist or better
still a disgruntled housebuilder who builds on the flood plain?
Edit
I see a housebuilder on their own Twitter feed complaining about a
compacted,industrial potato field silting up a ditch.
Now let's see which does the most permanent damage ,growing
a crop of potatoes or a crop of houses.:banghead:
 
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JD6920s

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Shropshire
Best part of 2 inches here today, on wet ground, should try the works at kingsland out.
With all the rain at the moment hopefully this should demonstrate the need for good old fashioned dredging. And people will finally realise that it’s necessary. Not only would proper waterway maintenance be a godsend in this country if will create jobs for people.
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
The landowner pays for that, yes? I can see why you guys would be disappointed that it wasn’t being done.

Up here, I maintain my own water courses and drainage, so the blame would be mine without doubt. If I was there, I’d be maintaining mine too, as much as I was permitted to do.

Certainly always been done by me here, but I am pretty sure we got a 50% grant. Maybe not everyone got the grant as I used to get all sorts of grants for being small! "Like conomic status to a crofter" I think the wording was. So impoverished too! :)
 
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