RLE1 form and hedges.

[64farmer giles]

On the maps to accompany the RLE1 forms to correct the hedges fiasco do I need to show only the hedges I am correcting or all the hedges I'm using for EFA?

 

[primmiemoo]

Can't say about EFA, sorry. I only know that the RLE1 form for hedges ~ with sketches, maps, etc ~ are now given until 6th June to be received. That's what I was told by an RPA Helpline Advisor yesterday.

My hedges saga doesn't involve EFA, but I hope the extension is real and the whole thing gets sorted out!

 

[Brisel]

My maps show the whole stretches of hedge, not just the bits they missed. I thought that would be easier and the numbers match what's on the BPS form.

 

[The Ruminant]

I’ve just ignored the hedges as I’m not declaring or using them for EFA.

 

[Steevo]

I’ve just ignored the hedges as I’m not declaring or using them for EFA.

Likewise. Might like to use them in future years, so tempted to submit an RLE1 form in Dec/Jan after payment. Knowing my luck thought the RPA will then update the whole system again in time for next year's fiasco.

 

[Fubar]

Can't say about EFA, sorry. I only know that the RLE1 form for hedges ~ with sketches, maps, etc ~ are now given until 6th June to be received. That's what I was told by an RPA Helpline Advisor yesterday.

My hedges saga doesn't involve EFA, but I hope the extension is real and the whole thing gets sorted out!

I have just been told I've got till 6 July to get row 1 forms in. I reckon I'm gonna need till July next year to correct all the mapping errors!!!!
How the hell can they get so much so wrong?
If trees form part of the hedge row it's still classed as hedge isn't it?
I go on to the photo image and it shows the line of trees in the hedge row with a red line along size it.
Why should I have to fill an rle1 in?
Just tell them to look at the satellite image that I can see.
I know I shouldn't have left it till now!!
Just spent the last 3 weeks doing 18 hour days on the spuds but that was nothing compared to this ruddy application.

 

[Fubar]

If rpa have mapped the hedges incorrectly and I've got more around a field than they say, do I have to notify them even if I don't use the extra length for efa?

 

[Brisel]

If rpa have mapped the hedges incorrectly and I've got more around a field than they say, do I have to notify them even if I don't use the extra length for efa?

Only if you want to use the full length for EFA for the 2018 claim. I decided to map them all bar a few fields missing a few metres here & there. It will make more work now but at least it will be done. Unless they decide to fudge it all up again next year...

Where are you? I though RLE1s for the 2018 BPS had to be submitted by 31st May?

 

[Fubar]

Midlands. Def been told July but I won't be risking it.
The sooner the system is thrown on the bonfire the better.

 

[primmiemoo]

I have just been told I've got till 6 July to get row 1 forms in. I reckon I'm gonna need till July next year to correct all the mapping errors!!!!
How the hell can they get so much so wrong?
If trees form part of the hedge row it's still classed as hedge isn't it?
I go on to the photo image and it shows the line of trees in the hedge row with a red line along size it.
Why should I have to fill an rle1 in?
Just tell them to look at the satellite image that I can see.
I know I shouldn't have left it till now!!
Just spent the last 3 weeks doing 18 hour days on the spuds but that was nothing compared to this ruddy application.

Devon hedges are specifically mentioned as being hedges and are to be included in the field area (vertical grazing/browse on the sides of banks, after all), yet the robo-surveyor has drawn around plenty of them on this holding, measured area, and given them field numbers.
I took pains to get everything right from IACS onward, including the first review under RPA - iirc, a couple of phone calls and simple sketch maps did the trick that time - , but it's all gone wrong again.

Elsewhere in the EU, farmers simply mark the maps and satellite photos sent to them of their holdings for changes and/or errors and send back. None of these reams of figures and extra forms.

RPA's taken out grazed scrub and grazed, old, naturally generated woodland, too, so I'm docked eligible area and entitlements.
The robo-surveyor hasn't been programed to recognised the difference between how a feature looks from above, and how livestock utilise the forage within it on the ground. It's all used agriculturally.

 

[Brisel]

Midlands. Def been told July but I won't be risking it.
The sooner the system is thrown on the bonfire the better.

Nothing on the RPA website about July. Last date for changes without penalty is 31st May;

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/bps-2018#guidance

 

[Feldspar]

Anyone remind me when the deadline for RLE1 submission is to accompany this year's BPS?

 

[Brisel]

My understanding is 31st May if you don't want to be penalised. Have a look at the link in my previous post

 

[Bury the Trash]

I think im late again, with its associated penalty.

Why is there a need for this waste of time, waste of money, annual claim submission. .....

 

[Brisel]

I think im late again, with its associated penalty.

Why is there a need for this waste of time, waste of money, annual claim submission. .....

Because you get a f***ing big cheque for doing it! This has to be the best £/hr you'll make all year?!

 

[Bury the Trash]

Because you get a f***ing big cheque for doing it! This has to be the best £/hr you'll make all year?!

you might get a big cheque but i dont.

 

[oldnic]

Like most, RPA have mapped my hedges wrong, missing bits.
I refused to waste my own time filling in their forms, told them that if their satellite can shown stone I have put in a gateway last year and cut it out of my area then it can show the correct hedges.
They mapped it wrong themselves --they can put it right themselves.
And they did.