Rogue Tups in with Tack ewe lambs.

Hughesy

Member
Location
Pembrokeshire
Wanted the forums opinion. A mate of mine has tack on a local farm it's good land, well kept and reseeded regularly. Farmer is very good and checks them twice daily. There were no fences so my mate and his father invested heavily in electric fencing and the kit to put it out off a quad. They've had their ewe lambs over there this year specifically to keep them away from the tup as lambing as hoggs wasn't working in their system. Unfortunately, however the neighbouring farm to the tack has also have tack sheep, but the fencing is totally inadequate. Three weeks ago two tups got into my mates hoggs. He wasn't best pleased, spoke to the neighbour assured him it wouldn't happen again, so he was going to scan them and lamb down any in-lamb and put it down to experience. Went up there yesterday and same thing two tups in again. He's very angry this time, due to the extra hassle, extra work, Plus his sheep have been dipped twice to keep them clean, he's feeling it's all futile!!
Just wanted to know who's responsibility is it? Is there any legal obligation to keep stock in your land? How would others deal with it? I have my thoughts, but I told him i'd put it out to the forum for general consensus.
 

Jerry

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Devon
Wanted the forums opinion. A mate of mine has tack on a local farm it's good land, well kept and reseeded regularly. Farmer is very good and checks them twice daily. There were no fences so my mate and his father invested heavily in electric fencing and the kit to put it out off a quad. They've had their ewe lambs over there this year specifically to keep them away from the tup as lambing as hoggs wasn't working in their system. Unfortunately, however the neighbouring farm to the tack has also have tack sheep, but the fencing is totally inadequate. Three weeks ago two tups got into my mates hoggs. He wasn't best pleased, spoke to the neighbour assured him it wouldn't happen again, so he was going to scan them and lamb down any in-lamb and put it down to experience. Went up there yesterday and same thing two tups in again. He's very angry this time, due to the extra hassle, extra work, Plus his sheep have been dipped twice to keep them clean, he's feeling it's all futile!!
Just wanted to know who's responsibility is it? Is there any legal obligation to keep stock in your land? How would others deal with it? I have my thoughts, but I told him i'd put it out to the forum for general consensus.

livestock owners responsible for fencing to keep them where they are meant to be.

As to how to handle ewes in lamb when they are not meant to be I’ve no idea.
 

thorpe

Member
Wanted the forums opinion. A mate of mine has tack on a local farm it's good land, well kept and reseeded regularly. Farmer is very good and checks them twice daily. There were no fences so my mate and his father invested heavily in electric fencing and the kit to put it out off a quad. They've had their ewe lambs over there this year specifically to keep them away from the tup as lambing as hoggs wasn't working in their system. Unfortunately, however the neighbouring farm to the tack has also have tack sheep, but the fencing is totally inadequate. Three weeks ago two tups got into my mates hoggs. He wasn't best pleased, spoke to the neighbour assured him it wouldn't happen again, so he was going to scan them and lamb down any in-lamb and put it down to experience. Went up there yesterday and same thing two tups in again. He's very angry this time, due to the extra hassle, extra work, Plus his sheep have been dipped twice to keep them clean, he's feeling it's all futile!!
Just wanted to know who's responsibility is it? Is there any legal obligation to keep stock in your land? How would others deal with it? I have my thoughts, but I told him i'd put it out to the forum for general consensus.
.22 should take care of the problem!
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Permanent fences for livestock on boundaries at least.

Proof yet again that electric cant be relied upon like a sound stock net with 2 strands above fence.

its the stock keepers responsibility to fence them in of course so if the fences aren't good enough on that place he shouldn't put stock there , therefore reducing the value of that keep which should quite rightly affect the land owner person ......until such a time as it is soundly fenced ....or not at all (y)
 

Purli R

Member
Not concerned about who keeps fences because if your mates neighbour is a wamker it aint going to get sorted. Gather 2 tups up,tek em to mart, book em in to owner, first he knows about it is when he gets a cheque in post. Some locals take em to mart round here & mart rings owner to come & get em if they have been straying. My self those 2 tups would never see the light of day again. :rolleyes: :whistle: Insurance would be good but you are dealing with aholes.
 
I have managed to send a bill and get paid compensation for a similar event
I treated ewes with Cyclix to abort the unwanted lambs
Charged the man for the drugs, my time & traveling
I would have charged him more but he didn't have any insurance :banghead:
You are well within your rights to do what you did and you are probably right to do so.
Only trouble is you’ve made it look like you intended to capitalise on the job
 

Tim W

Member
Location
Wiltshire
You are well within your rights to do what you did and you are probably right to do so.
Only trouble is you’ve made it look like you intended to capitalise on the job
He got away with a smaller bill only because I thought I was better off getting something easily rather than having to go through courts to try & get the full amount
My own rams were put in later (when I wanted them to go in) but it meant a protracted lambing with all the additional costs (labour , different scanning day etc) all of which add up ...plus extra health screening (I took bloods from the rogue rams) ...if they had come up positive for something like BD of MV i would have had a different approach.
He got off easy.....
 
He got away with a smaller bill only because I thought I was better off getting something easily rather than having to go through courts to try & get the full amount
My own rams were put in later (when I wanted them to go in) but it meant a protracted lambing with all the additional costs (labour , different scanning day etc) all of which add up ...plus extra health screening (I took bloods from the rogue rams) ...if they had come up positive for something like BD of MV i would have had a different approach.
He got off easy.....
It happens to me fairly often I never charge anyone anything as I’m feared that will bite me on the [email protected] if/when the tables turned.
 

sheepwise

Member
Location
SW Scotland
Hopefully the owner of the tups is insured. I would try and have a sensible conversation and suggest a claim on his insurance. However, depending on the guy's attitude , I would try and keep it amicable because as someone else said you never know when the ball could be on the other foot.
 

Electricfencer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cotswolds
It happens to me fairly often I never charge anyone anything as I’m feared that will bite me on the [email protected] if/when the tables turned.
It happens all the time round here, my sheep often swim the river to get next door, next week someone else’s sheep get out with mine. I wouldn't’ want to start charging people because I wouldn’t want to be charged. I’ve just had to dip 500 ewes because some scabby tack lambs got into my ewes, but that’s life and could quite easy been the other way around.
 
It happens all the time round here, my sheep often swim the river to get next door, next week someone else’s sheep get out with mine. I wouldn't’ want to start charging people because I wouldn’t want to be charged. I’ve just had to dip 500 ewes because some scabby tack lambs got into my ewes, but that’s life and could quite easy been the other way around.
That’s the way I’m on too. No way do I take money off folk for these things even if I’m offered.
My mate next door had 20 cows go through a wall of ours when he was moving them the other day. He was adamant he was going to pay me but I wouldn’t be on with it. I told him it wouldn’t be long until something happened the other way round. It wasn’t one of the back bale spikes snapped on one of our tractors and knocked his wall down I think it was the next day
 

Frodo

Member
Location
Scotland (east)
That’s the way I’m on too. No way do I take money off folk for these things even if I’m offered.
My mate next door had 20 cows go through a wall of ours when he was moving them the other day. He was adamant he was going to pay me but I wouldn’t be on with it. I told him it wouldn’t be long until something happened the other way round. It wasn’t one of the back bale spikes snapped on one of our tractors and knocked his wall down I think it was the next day
Both of those are fairly major accidents which surely you are both insured for. Is it not worth making a claim?
 

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