Rolling drilled sugar beet

Sonoftheheir

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Arable Farmer
Location
West Suffolk
Just pondering whether to roll the drilled sugar beet land? It’s fairly cloddy in places and very light in others.

How does it help? I wondered if it smash the clods more and help
With soil pressure onto the seed?

Only down side I can think of is the roll tractor wheelings?
 

carbonfibre farmer

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Arable Farmer
I rolled about 2 acres of ours after drilling yesterday. Drilled into moisture but a bit cloddy. Mainly because the forecast has so little rain in it, I thought best to hedge our bets. Also not wet and horrible underneath so no ruts. The rolling tractor is pretty small and light as well and goes up the rows, could hardly see a wheeling.
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DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I have never regretted rolling beet in on heavy land as long as your tractor doesn’t make more wheelings and heavy rain isn’t imminent. Did not roll our heavy land beet this year as would need to cross sand to get to it, which with this wind would end in disaster.
 

two-cylinder

Member
Location
Cambridge
Rolling is of little benefit.
However pressing rows again might be?

A few years ago we had a drill hiccup- one unit stopped seeding for a few rounds, so after we'd finished the field we removed all the coulters and units leaving just the one which had been problematic. We then re-drilled where the problem occurred. To our surprise the rows which were pressed twice with the drill wheels emerged quicker and with better germination.
 

Trigger Happy

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Location
East Midlands
Rolling is of little benefit.
However pressing rows again might be?

A few years ago we had a drill hiccup- one unit stopped seeding for a few rounds, so after we'd finished the field we removed all the coulters and units leaving just the one which had been problematic. We then re-drilled where the problem occurred. To our surprise the rows which were pressed twice with the drill wheels emerged quicker and with better germination.

That sounds like rolling is of benefit to me, what is the difference between pressing the rows twice and rolling?
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I found the mini seed press wheels on my ferrag accord beet drill were a vast improvement on heavy land when compared to the basic rollers on my old webb. The drill press wheel runs in the seed slot and presses the seed into the moisture at the bottom of the slot.
 

carbonfibre farmer

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Arable Farmer
I found the mini seed press wheels on my ferrag accord beet drill were a vast improvement on heavy land when compared to the basic rollers on my old webb. The drill press wheel runs in the seed slot and presses the seed into the moisture at the bottom of the slot.
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Similar to this I take it?

I have some video footage but can't get it to upload so took this video capture which shows the wheel pushing down in the slot. Did a cracking job.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Yes we never roll sand for beet. Leave it rough as hell. I miss a couple of feet each power harrow run to create windbreaks. Ideally drill into furrow pressed sand but we don’t have a press.

Long time since Allscott Factory packed up... :(

The beet here was largely grown on lighter loam to sand. I started drilling into pressed ploughing in spite of the "old lads" telling me sugar beet needed a seedbed like flour... Possibly a hangover from the days of rubbed seed?

The Matco I bought to replace the old Stanhay was a revelation. Far faster in action and if the coulters were kept in good nick, would drill nicely into a winter plough and pressed seedbed. I used EN8 round bar welded on the coulter to make it easier to penetrate soil for the seed. The technique reduced the blowing dramatically, especially combined with the technique below.

Heavy land was worked a bit harder with a Roterra... :) Where I had to work late ploughed light land patches, I tried to broadcast and lightly harrow in Spring Barley in early March, often with a Quad and 2m light tined grass harrow at speed to reduce compaction. Then drill into the emerging barley in late March. Reduced wind blow dramatically. Also had some success broadcasting barley onto the pressed furrows before rain was forecast and accept some bird losses as it germinated on top. Always wanted to try a tiny drill on the press...

Never rolled a sugar beet seedbed post drilling an rarely, pre working down/drilling. Rather intrigued to hear of what appears to be quite a few rolling ppost drilling in the East. A bit drier than the West Midlands maybe?
 
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robbie

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BASIS
We farm a piece of land and the landlord is still horrified that we drill beet straight into fresh ploughed and pressed land. Everytime we put beet on this land he tells us in great detail how when he used to grow beet(his last year 2003) first he would deep dig plough the field, which would take a few days so by th time he had finished the first ploughed stuff had dried right out then he would kkk springtine with a cambridge roll towed behind and a set of drag narrows behind that. This would be done opposite to the direction of ploughing, then he'd apply his fert and then go over it all againa with his kkk/roll/drag harrows and then he would drill unless in the mean time it had caught some rain and got wet in which case it would be kkk/roll/harrow again.?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️

Then he normally goes onto say how the germination of beet is better now because he often had to go and bibble In seed by hand on areas which didnt germinate or caped if they had heavy rain after drilling and how much different the seasons are now because we dont get any wind blow "like in the old days"

Sometimes he would roll post drilling aswell If he thought it was a bit dry.

Back to the OP there is a good few acres rolled around here some years on some of the more cloddy "heavier" land.
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
We farm a piece of land and the landlord is still horrified that we drill beet straight into fresh ploughed and pressed land. Everytime we put beet on this land he tells us in great detail how when he used to grow beet(his last year 2003) first he would deep dig plough the field, which would take a few days so by th time he had finished the first ploughed stuff had dried right out then he would kkk springtine with a cambridge roll towed behind and a set of drag narrows behind that. This would be done opposite to the direction of ploughing, then he'd apply his fert and then go over it all againa with his kkk/roll/drag harrows and then he would drill unless in the mean time it had caught some rain and got wet in which case it would be kkk/roll/harrow again.?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️

Then he normally goes onto say how the germination of beet is better now because he often had to go and bibble In seed by hand on areas which didnt germinate or caped if they had heavy rain after drilling and how much different the seasons are now because we dont get any wind blow "like in the old days"

Sometimes he would roll post drilling aswell If he thought it was a bit dry.

Back to the OP there is a good few acres rolled around here some years on some of the more cloddy "heavier" land.

What used to be called "Recreational Cultivations" by the soil guy from Harper back in the day... ;)

I look back now and wonder about the hours spent with harrows or a power harrow and recall the compaction that was quite visible in poorer beet where the power had been worked at 90 degrees to the first pass with a dutch harrow! I started to run a 3m dutch harrow front, power harrow behind, on a dualled 80hp Zetor, about as light as could be achieve for a one pass operation at the time! Into teh pressing was I agree, better, and as you say, no windblow! :ROFLMAO:
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
Little chance of wind blow here on most fields. I'm always surprised that when the beet are small where the germinator went first pass the wheel marks always show up as better and greener.... More moisture? To the OP rolled some cloddy headlands this time and my neighbour plans to roll all his on white land and another has already.
 

Flat 10

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
We farm a piece of land and the landlord is still horrified that we drill beet straight into fresh ploughed and pressed land. Everytime we put beet on this land he tells us in great detail how when he used to grow beet(his last year 2003) first he would deep dig plough the field, which would take a few days so by th time he had finished the first ploughed stuff had dried right out then he would kkk springtine with a cambridge roll towed behind and a set of drag narrows behind that. This would be done opposite to the direction of ploughing, then he'd apply his fert and then go over it all againa with his kkk/roll/drag harrows and then he would drill unless in the mean time it had caught some rain and got wet in which case it would be kkk/roll/harrow again.?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️

Then he normally goes onto say how the germination of beet is better now because he often had to go and bibble In seed by hand on areas which didnt germinate or caped if they had heavy rain after drilling and how much different the seasons are now because we dont get any wind blow "like in the old days"

Sometimes he would roll post drilling aswell If he thought it was a bit dry.

Back to the OP there is a good few acres rolled around here some years on some of the more cloddy "heavier" land.
I would have to drastically improve my ploughing to do as you suggest. Surely the headlands need a tidy up or are you as good as @slim shiny ?
 

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