Rotation no till dilemma

[Beefsmith]

Like everybody else our rotation is shot to pieces. I’ve a 120ac that in harvest 19 was winter wheat. It should of been winter beans for harvest 20 but ended up as spring wheat. I now really need it back into winter wheat for logistical reasons and to get the rotation back on track. The land is in good condition and we’ve removed the spring wheat straw due to its value. I want to direct drill (tine) winter wheat into the spring wheats stubble. Convince me not to?
Would a shallow disc alleviate any potential issues like take all etc.

 

[SilliamWhale]

As a 3rd cereal or a 2nd. If 2nd don't worry about it. I've done it before. Lather on some muck if you csn

 

[Beefsmith]

As a 3rd cereal or a 2nd. If 2nd don't worry about it. I've done it before. Lather on some muck if you csn

It’ll be a 3rd cereal.

WW, SW, WW

 

[robs1]

Discing is more likely to cause more problems with take all etc. A good dose of muck would help it get a good start, or some d a p down the spout. Yes I know you're not meant too but if sh!t is ok then a tiny bit of d a p is fine

 

[Warnesworth]

What are the soil conditions like? Was the soil 'wet' at harvest and subsequent baling and collection/stacking operations? i.e are there random wheelings all over the field? How long has it been no-till?

 

[Beefsmith]

What are the soil conditions like? Was the soil 'wet' at harvest and subsequent baling and collection/stacking operations? i.e are there random wheelings all over the field? How long has it been no-till?

Generally very good. Headland tramlines are very compacted but flat not rutted and will be in the same place so I’m not worried about them.

 

[yellow belly]

if it is dry enough to drill near the end of october then drill it or do a spring crop

 

[ollie989898]

Feed the soil up and risk it.

Obviously if it's wheeled or panned or fudged from machinery you will need to sort that.

 

[Clive]

It’ll be a 3rd cereal.

WW, SW, WW

will be fine imo, we ha e some 2nd cereals going in (I never really grow 2nd cereals). But let's face it 2020 was hardly a cereal in many cases !

tine drill best in such situations

 

[ollie989898]

If the dirty is healthy and the crop is looked after, I would expect you to get away with not much take all in all honesty. I would risk it.

 

[Zippy768]

tine drill best in such situations

How come?

 

[yellow belly]

in 2019 we planted wheat as a 3rd cereal after wheat spring barley and as a second wheat produced very good crops compared to long term average

but it was planted in good dry conditions with no heavy rain in the 2 weeks after planting

notill gd drill

imho the machinery type is irelivant if the conditions are good anything from plough combi to low disturbance notill disc drill
if it is too wet it is for all of them
the combi system can leave the soil too loose to avoid takeall
in the 1980s trials showed tighter firmer seed beds reduced takeall