Roundup and cancer the IARC Report

[Roger Perry]

State of California is forcing Monsanto to put a warning label on the product that it could be carcigen.

Your practice of spraying crops off with roundup to ready them for harvesting would put you in jail here.

 

[Robigus]

We have to look into why there has been a massive increase of cancers of bowel, stomach etc over the last half a century. What I have been reading there was little evidence of it before and contrary to belief people (excl inner city) did live into their 90's. People also didnt understand about skin cancers from the sun either so how come farmers lived to a ripe old age? A concoction of herbicides/pesticides in daily life cannot to be good for us.

Whether the world powers of people like Monsanto can ever be taken on is how the world is turning. Evidence can be suppressed and people can be paid. You only need to look at what the happened with sugar (John Yudkin) and how the industry did its best to control the WHO.

According to the Cancer Research website there were 15,419 new cases of skin cancer in the UK in 2014. The primary cause of these are sunlight. There were zero cases of cancer caused by "Roundup".

How much more panicked should we be by the orchestrated hysteria around glyphosate than going out on a nice sunny morning?

 

[Hilly]

The word racist gets banded about a lot on here

Mostly by racist people funnily enough.

 

[Robigus]

State of California is forcing Monsanto to put a warning label on the product that it could be carcigen.

Your practice of spraying crops off with roundup to ready them for harvesting would put you in jail here.

I'm guessing that in California, or even Southern Colorado, you can normally harvest your crops fairly dry. Most of us are working in a climate more akin to Nova Scotia.

 

[Roger Perry]

I would respectfully suggest that its not known how many cases of cancer were caused by roundup.

Letter your skin get burned is a no no, I live in an area with lots of sunshine and people always cover up...long sleeves etc, those UV rays are dangerous.

 

[Cowabunga]

State of California is forcing Monsanto to put a warning label on the product that it could be carcigen.

Your practice of spraying crops off with roundup to ready them for harvesting would put you in jail here.

It would just have to be 'California'.

What about the rest of the country?

 

[Roger Perry]

Agree that California leads the charge on a lot of stuff.........but it is the most populated state @ 33 million so carries a lot of weight.
I think this labeling will carry forward but remember a lot of roundup is sold to homeowners who may have a more cavalier attitude to its use than a grower.

For sure, more intense interest in the affects it may have on health.

Spraying it on crops destined to be eaten by humans does seem reckless.

 

[Cowabunga]

Spraying it on crops destined to be eaten by humans does seem reckless.

What is the evidence for this? It appears, from the original post, that no evidence can be found anywhere for any ill effect for humans.

There is certainly evidence that salt is harmful to human health, yet it is commonly accepted and spread of food directly ingested. That's just one example of something that seems far more harmful to human health than Roundup, which has yet to be proven to be harmful at all. Its not even as if it was something new and unproven and untested.

 

[Roger Perry]

Not allowed here to be sprayed on a human consumption crop, I am no expert on these things but give them enough time and someone will come up with a reason to ban its use for such things in EU.

 

[Cowabunga]

Not allowed here to be sprayed on a human consumption crop, I am no expert on these things but give them enough time and someone will come up with a reason to ban its use for such things in EU.

Is Canola oil and Corn not consumed by humans?

 

[Roger Perry]

Yes, of course, not explaining myself very well am I..........when the plant is in early stages it can be sprayed with this product, (corn/beans/canola etc engineered for it) what I was driving at was that it is prohibited from use when the ear has emerged.

 

[Dead Rabbits]

State of California is forcing Monsanto to put a warning label on the product that it could be carcigen.

Your practice of spraying crops off with roundup to ready them for harvesting would put you in jail here.

Where? I used to cut a lot of it in the northern plains.

 

[glasshouse]

I've farmed in the middle of East Anglia for thirty years and I don't know anyone who continually crops cereals.
How would glyphosate be the only thing to make this possible?
Where is the yield drop occurring? All independent figures show that yields have risen in the last forty years.

You are just a youngster, you dont remember the 70,s when couch grass was everywhere.
Osr counts as a " cereal" too.
Before roundup, land had to be fallowed for a yr to clean up the couch. Then a grass break and swedes etc.
That fairly knocked wheat production.
Blackgrass is the new couch, requiring all remedies above.

 

[Muck Spreader]

What is the scientific argument against it? Is there any?

I guess the levels found in many foods both in Europe and the US. Although there seems to be some confusion over testing protocols and the sensitivity levels needed. The USFDA wasn't even testing for it until 18 months ago which is rather strange. But I think in any event, trying to convince your customers that a bit of poison in their cake won't harm them is always going to be an uphill task.

 

[Cowabunga]

I guess the levels found in many foods both in Europe and the US. Although there seems to be some confusion over testing protocols and the sensitivity levels needed. The USFDA wasn't even testing for it until 18 months ago which is rather strange. But I think in any event, trying to convince your customers that a bit of poison in their cake won't harm them is always going to be an uphill task.

If you put it in that emotive and slanted way, of course its a hopeless case. However, where's the evidence that it has ever caused any harm in any way in the concentrations used in agriculture and found in minute levels in a tiny proportion of food directly consumed by humans? There is none. That's despite the most intense scrutiny by all and sundry for the last 40 years. Despite the apparent hiding of significant evidence to the contrary in fact, as described in the original post here.

Fact is that many foods contain high levels of toxins that are significantly, and proven to be significantly harmful. Examples are virtually all cooked and oven browned food, such as toast, bacon etc. Red meat. The tons of processed food ingested by a population minute by minute. The natural but very harmful bacteria that can contaminate all raw meat, especially chicken.

I doubt whether any of those toxic hazards would pass the safety tests and scrutiny given to Roundup over the years. Yet nobody really gives a damn about them to the extent of even thinking of banning any.

So put things in perspective. Given the evidence built up over many decades, Roundup should be the least of your worries.

 

[Roger Perry]

I agree with that, smoking, drugs, red meat, VW diesel fumes are proven killers...plus a million other things.............what we don't know with absolute certainty is if roundup is also harmful.

I guess at some point in the future we will know, little point in worrying about now.

 

[Still Farming]

Everything is killing us !

 

[rob1]

We have to look into why there has been a massive increase of cancers of bowel, stomach etc over the last half a century. What I have been reading there was little evidence of it before and contrary to belief people (excl inner city) did live into their 90's. People also didnt understand about skin cancers from the sun either so how come farmers lived to a ripe old age? A concoction of herbicides/pesticides in daily life cannot to be good for us.

Whether the world powers of people like Monsanto can ever be taken on is how the world is turning. Evidence can be suppressed and people can be paid. You only need to look at what the happened with sugar (John Yudkin) and how the industry did its best to control the WHO.

Higher alcohol intakes, smoking, deodorants, fuel fumes, processed foods, less excercise, all of those things have increased in the last 50 years, its likely that at least some are responsible for the increase in cancers, if you look at chemical cans several groups are classed as possible carcinogens, fungicides among them yet with approval for use as ear washes, there seems to be a witch hunt against glyphosate

 

[Cowabunga]

I agree with that, smoking, drugs, red meat, VW diesel fumes are proven killers...plus a million other things.............what we don't know with absolute certainty is if roundup is also harmful.

I guess at some point in the future we will know, little point in worrying about now.

We've had 40 years of extensive and intensive use to find out and there is no evidence of any harm to human health. Even water is toxic if ingested in inappropriate doses.

The 'precautionary principle' is a completely discredited system that is an excuse for stopping all development 'just in case'. A luddite's charter. It stifles human progress.

Someone mentioned DDT earlier on, obviously oblivious to the fact that it is still in use and saves countless lives every year. Same goes for Thalidomide, which is a very significant weapon against certain skin conditions and cancer, including leprosy. It is widely used, including by the NHS in the UK.
Point being that tests were not as rigorous until the 1970's as they are since, and that appropriate use provides significant benefits from even these demonised compounds.

 

[Exfarmer]

Higher alcohol intakes, smoking, deodorants, fuel fumes, processed foods, less excercise, all of those things have increased in the last 50 years, its likely that at least some are responsible for the increase in cancers, if you look at chemical cans several groups are classed as possible carcinogens, fungicides among them yet with approval for use as ear washes, there seems to be a witch hunt against glyphosate

One fungicide, banned in the 80's was still being sold in cough medicine until very recently