RSPCA seek to end "factory farming"

[Christoph1945]

You don’t like them then?

I thought that as well but I am often wrong in my assessments!

 

[Hilly]

Is 40,000 acre block of sitca spruce a factory forest ?

 

[tepapa]

Is 40,000 acre block of sitca spruce a factory forest ?

Yes

 

[devonbeef]

Almost agree with you. Why suffer a loss in production when the income can be replaced by elms? It'll take longer than 18months for people realise they need food more than sky or an I phone.
And when UK ag starts to produce again we shouldn't all ramp up production it'll just undo Al the work that'll have been done.

once your in elms your lands marked, tied in to whatever bo le...x you have signed in for.

 

[Doc]

I’m no fan of the RSPCA.
Some of the issue we have as an industry is that all practices tend to get lumped together in the food and environment debate as ‘farming’. The large intensive layer, broiler or commercial pig units can look ugly to the general public ( and oftentimes to me) and these images are what is portrayed rather than the more extensive grazers and set aside wildlife habitat areas management.
However, it would be sensible for farming to control the narrative rather than react, adding context to the conditions of Intensive production and cost of food. Educate about variety and consumer choice as well as highlight the dodgy provenance of the apparently ‘lean, green’ alternatives of soya, palm oil, corn syrup etc.
It will require some positive spin too. Look at Lewis Hamilton, the eco vegan who makes a living burning hydrocarbons for entertainment. A more ridiculous paradox is hard to imagine but folk are falling for it.

 

[Exfarmer]

...............and more empty bellies, not necessarily here, but somewhere in the world.

And that is the cruxof it, we can afford to buy the rice out of starving Asians

 

[unlacedgecko]

I’m no fan of the RSPCA.
Some of the issue we have as an industry is that all practices tend to get lumped together in the food and environment debate as ‘farming’. The large intensive layer, broiler or commercial pig units can look ugly to the general public ( and oftentimes to me) and these images are what is portrayed rather than the more extensive grazers and set aside wildlife habitat areas management.
However, it would be sensible for farming to control the narrative rather than react, adding context to the conditions of Intensive production and cost of food. Educate about variety and consumer choice as well as highlight the dodgy provenance of the apparently ‘lean, green’ alternatives of soya, palm oil, corn syrup etc.
It will require some positive spin too. Look at Lewis Hamilton, the eco vegan who makes a living burning hydrocarbons for entertainment. A more ridiculous paradox is hard to imagine but folk are falling for it.

Thats Sir Lewis to tax paying peasants like you...

 

[tepapa]

Thats Sir Lewis to tax paying peasants like you...

Someone has to pay and he won't see why he should have to.

 

[JP1]

RSPCA and other people and groups like PETA and vegans really need to be challenged on their Achilles Heel.

Which is: What is their "vision" for non farmed domesticated animals?

Housing a cow in a cubicle shed is not a lot different from keeping a domesticated wolf descendant (or "dog" if you prefer) in a three bed semi with only limited exercise. Similarly, should all domesticated horses be turned out on the moors to fend for themselves?

Or is the plan that all dogs, cats, and horses along with farmed animal be shot? I'd really like these organisation's spokes people to answer that on prime time TV.

+1

The only welfare cases I see at present are ponies left put in tiny mud troughs and obese dogs (and cats) ostensibly "owned" by animal lovers

Maybe livestock farmers with their expert eye should assess how ponies and horses are kept and condition score pets; anything obese being confiscated

 

[texelburger]

Interesting thread so far. @GeorgeK makes some good points on what the problem is and on what needs to happen to start and rectify things.
I suspect how most farmers define factory farming and how RSPCA do will be very different.
The farming industry is very easy to attack as we are a group of individuals without in my view, a strong representative body. In my opinion the industry should fund the employment of some media savvy, camera friendly people with a grasp of the facts to debate with such as Packham , the RSPCA etc.

I cringe at times at the people the NFU put on TV who do their best, but lack a grasp of the facts.
Animal ag. is an easy target at the moment. Government has made it clear they are willing to sacrifice cattle and sheep to plant trees and then claim to be saving the planet.

We no longer have the protection of the EU and French farmers and we have PM whose ear is being bent by an animal rights orientated partner.

These are worrying times and false facts need exposing for what they are.

I've always said that we need to employ media savvy professionals to fight our corner in the PR battle against these organisations.We do NOT want a ruddy cheeked farmer stuttering and being torn to shreds on TV or radio which is something I've seen many times over the years.No NFU member should participate in these media debates,it's not fair on them and not fair on the members.I remember waking up one morning and listening to a debate,on our local radio station,on TB and badgers.There was a NFU member and dairy farmer debating against a young ,very savvy,girl from a Badger group.She tore the poor guy to shreds without raising her voice in a most eloquent manner.I was so embarrassed for the poor chap and had to turn the radio off.The poor guy should never have been put in that position.

 

[CopperBeech]

I hunt and farm. Would rather beat myself to death with my own severed arm than associate with the rspca

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Has anyone worked out what a factory farm actually is?

read this book, it describes exactly what it is

Farmageddon By Philip Lymbery | Used | 9781408846445 | World of Books

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[Ffermer Bach]

All charities are struggling at the moment.
I think that they have decided to say something really radical because they are desperate for funds and attention. They have a massive pension and wages commitment.

I have given money to charities, but am changing my opinions, after the charities seem to feel it's their job to push "woke" agendas' rather than look after people, still support plan but the bigger charities seem to only want to push their left wing, urban priorities.

 

[Muddyroads]

I have given money to charities, but am changing my opinions, after the charities seem to feel it's their job to push "woke" agendas' rather than look after people, still support plan but the bigger charities seem to only want to push their left wing, urban priorities.

WOKE:
With Out Knowledge or Experience!

 

[Raider112]

I hunt and farm. Would rather beat myself to death with my own severed arm than associate with the rspca

Sure I read somewhere that the RSPCA was created by a huntsman.