Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Oh nasty.
Sacking people
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llamedos
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Self employed also need their own PL & as @Sleepy says employing self employed is not as plain sailing as some think. You are still liable for dismissal regs and lots of other legalities.
Also many who pay minimum wage under old AWB rules will fall foul from 1st Oct is they don't give a decent rise, as National minimum is over and above what Ag wages were.
Lots of helpful easily understood info is available on Roythornes Ag solicitors web site, look at their Agri Blogs
They also do the odd seminar if you are in and around Notts area look under events section on their web
ianw
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- east yorkshire
Not on topic but why are we as a nation/world obsessed with replacing human staff with computers/robots?surely with an ever increasing population we can't afford to pay more than half the country to sit at home watching daytime tv?I'm not against progress but we can't pay for everyone to go and do a degree in media studies etc and then pay them to sit there doing nothing?
Joseph Palmer
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- North Yorkshire
I think this must be possibly the most difficult thing to if you employ people
I had to get rid of someone todayI tried everything to make it work but it just wasn't to be... tried to be as constructive as possible but still doesn't make it any easier.
Can't imagine how difficult it would be if it was through no fault of their own / no longer enough work for them etc.
Thoughts / experiences ?
I think if you feel that way when you sack someone that hasn't done anything to offend you accept not be able to do their job to the standard you require whether it's because of tardiness or lack of understanding or just simply they can't do the job then it shows that you have humanity towards others and a heart, the only problem is you can have too big of a heart and get walked all over, I have seen this happen and generally the people that take liberties are still shocked when they get asked to leave as if they are still owed something and can't believe you have the audacity to fire them. Genuine people who understand why you had to get rid of them and yet still thank you for everything you have done for them as they know firing them has been a tough decision for you, those are the ones I feel sorry for. Firing someone these days isn't like it used to be, there were more jobs available then and even if the job wasn't in the same industry there was always something about working with temping agencies etc but even those sort of jobs are few and far between. I hate to think what it's going to be like in the future for my kids if it keeps going the way it has been.
jake should just give me a shout and i will do the dirty on his behalf,
robin banks
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- Ireland
I found sacking someone like dumping a girlfriend. Neither are pleasant to do. And I was crap at both. Both girlfriend and a crap employee cried and I felt bad. Took both back. Bad idea. Dump them its hard but you feel better soon after.
best you stick to the bank jobs then,you must have had a life time of them jokes?
SimpersTradeCounter
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- Ely, Cambridgeshire.
yorkie
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- pe34 norfolk,but not born there
if this makes you feal better no a chap when they started to to run a big farm he had to go in and make 13 redundant in 1 day said it was worst thing he had ever donei did not dislike them that much
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
They are both neighbours. Come to work in their tractors, 2 days a week each.
marco
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- tipperary, ireland
THE SOVIETS won the war end of story, They were going so fast they nearly didn't stop at Berlin.
I like the Americans though. mussel cars especially. 350 chevy v8 ya baby
I like the Americans though. mussel cars especially. 350 chevy v8 ya baby
the soviets were on the knees after barbarossa and we had to save there arses with info about kursk,the only country who fought ww2 for moral reasons was GB.
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
im with grumpy on this one
marco
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- tipperary, ireland
sure your both right, the nearly 10 million russian troops that died made no difference at all. It was the 400,000 brits that won it
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
the brits were the ones with the brains, all the soviets had was sheer numbers
Sussex Martin
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- Burham Kent
Doesn't make their sacrifice any less though does it ?
exmoor dave
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- exmoor, uk
and weren't the Americans and us not supplying the soviets, artic convoys and all that? so they were in a position to counter attack?
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
no it doesnt, not at all
IANTO
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I think this must be possibly the most difficult thing to if you employ people
I had to get rid of someone today
Can't imagine how difficult it would be if it was through no fault of their own / no longer enough work for them etc.
Thoughts / experiences ?
Done the dirty work twice, for a client.
The first time, we arrived at his house at 7.30 AM, having driven 30 miles. Me and someone to drive back his Company Vehicle.
He was employed in the agricultural supplies business, and had been an Employee for several years.
As he was so far from the Depot, he kept stock at two locations.
Both suffered a series of "break ins", and stock was stolen.
By word of mouth, it came back to his employer, that he was selling for cash, "Ivomec" etc., and well below cost, and at the same time his Sales figures were decreasing. Visiting farmers in the area, who normally ordered, but had not done so, produced Batch Numbers, of products, he had sold off cash, that were supposedly stolen. Sworn Statements taken, and copies provided to him, when we called.
Took the Keys of the Vehicle, and gave him a draft agreement to sign, and advised him to see a Solicitor.
The Draft Agreement, which I had drawn up, stated that in exchange for him not claiming redundancy or unfair dismissal, his employer would not prosecute for theft.
He died consult a local Solicitor, who advised him to accept, rather than be prosecuted. His Solicitor amended the wording of my draft slightly (He had to justify his Fee.), and it was signed by Employer and Employee.
The second time, was just as interesting. The Employers Wife was having an affair with the Employee. When this was brought to his attention, she did not deny it, and that same day (She was a Director and Shareholder in the Business.) fired the Employee, her Toy-Boy.
Again, I was called upon to do the dirty work.
Called with the Employee, and offered him standard redundancy terms, in exchange for various conditions, and again I suggested he consulted a Solicitor.
The Employers Wife, who by then had to live with him, was present during the discussion, and she urged him to accept, as she did not want her infidelity to be brought up in court.
Again a Good Result.
It may sound strange, but my Client and his now Ex-Wife, still work together in the same office for most of the week, and I consider them both friends, and refuse to take sides.
When her infidelity came up, she wanted to resign, but as my Client was the Ltd. Company, and not the individual Directors or Shareholders, I managed to convince them both, that it was in both their, and the Company's interest to continue working together if they could, as they were both important to the business.
The Divorce took and division of assets took 4 yours approx. to sort out.
As they worked together and wanted an amicable agreement, every letter from their respective Solicitors was shown to each other, and both gave me Copies.
She when she married, had nothing and there no children involved.
She wanted a property he purchased for her for £600K a Car and £30K in Cash. His share between Pension Fund, Properties etc., was probably 1.8K.
I was in the position of having to deal with both her and his solicitor.
Her Solicitor asked me to reduce the valuations of the various assets (agreed between the parties and not professionally valued) while his solicitor (a woman) whose sympathies were obviously with the wife objected. She claimed she was "an officer of the Court etc., and could not be party to such an act.).
Both parties signed a document agreeing the valuations and did not wish, as they were both agreed to incur the expense of having more than a 12 properties valued.
His Solicitor was instructed to submit the forms.
The Judge signed it off.
End of story.
Apologies if I have strayed from my response to the post, but one thing led to another, and it may be value to someone on the forum.