Satellite tag discovery reveals lengths raptor killers will go to to conceal crimes

[Swarfmonkey]

It all looks too “convenient” to me.

Why go to the bother of keeping it intact them wrapping it in lead and half-@rse the job of hiding it when a 4lb club hammer would bash it into fragments tiny enough that you’d never be able to work out what it was.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I struggle to see why some of these birds are protected. I had ten red kites circling above my head during lambing. Quite intimidating.

Really no need for them to be on a protected list.

only 10!?

think the record around here is 48 PAIRS in one field.

like a lot of protected species, they have done very well. if the protection was removed numbers would fall to a more sensible level then probably bounce along at the numbers they should be at the top of the pyramid.

 

[Dry Rot]

It all looks too “convenient” to me.

Why go to the bother of keeping it intact them wrapping it in lead and half-@rse the job of hiding it when a 4lb club hammer would bash it into fragments tiny enough that you’d never be able to work out what it was.

Strange a rambler wandering along side a river found it, isn't it? I mean, if I wrapped anything in sheet lead and tossed it into a river, I wouldn't expect it to drift to the side to be found by a rambler!

 

[Bill the Bass]

Can this thread be moved to off topic or something? It’s got sweet FA to do with farming or farmers.

 

[melted welly]

Strange a rambler wandering along side a river found it, isn't it? I mean, if I wrapped anything in sheet lead and tossed it into a river, I wouldn't expect it to drift to the side to be found by a rambler!

I had a cyclist “find” a shot buzzard in the middle of a standing barley field of ours......in June......1/4mile from main road.......at 6am........on a Sunday.......as the rural crimes officer explained to me when she came knocking.

 

[Dry Rot]

Can this thread be moved to off topic or something? It’s got sweet FA to do with farming or farmers.

Click on your screen name (Billy the Bass). Click on "Ignoring". Click on "Threads". Type in or cut and paste the header of this thread. Click "Return" and the source of your annoyance will disappear!

 

[steveR]

There is also the refusal of the people who have the data from the trackers to permit any Independent body access to the data from the trackers. If the hysterical claims from the RSPB et al are really true, then let it be independently verified beyond doubt. They are telling the truth aren’t they? We only have their word for it at the moment.....

Plenty of shooting people would shun estates and keepers that are proven to be illegally persecuting raptors. The minority are fecking the job up for the majority. BASC, CLA, Moorland Association, Countryside Alliance and National Gamekeepers Organisation will all expel any member convicted of raptor persecution.

Spot on...

The reasoning to withold data is strange. If it was going to be used in a prosecution, surely it would be in the hands of the Police, and would be declared as such....?

Still smelling old haddock....

 

[steveR]

Strange a rambler wandering along side a river found it, isn't it? I mean, if I wrapped anything in sheet lead and tossed it into a river, I wouldn't expect it to drift to the side to be found by a rambler!

Metal Detectorists innit.... or magnet fishers.... or a passing salmon deposited it on the bank...

 

[Highland Mule]

Metal Detectorists innit.... or magnet fishers.... or a passing salmon deposited it on the bank...

Perhaps the first of those, but the other two would be not possible. And I'm not sure that there's any meaningful level of detectorist activity around there either - presumably the find was somewhere near the Hermitage scenic walk. @davieh3350 isn't too far from there and may have some insight if it's popular with detector types.

 

[glasshouse]

Metal Detectorists innit.... or magnet fishers.... or a passing salmon deposited it on the bank...

Highland rivers move massive bouldrs, a piece oflead would be easily washed up on the shore

 

[davieh3350]

Perhaps the first of those, but the other two would be not possible. And I'm not sure that there's any meaningful level of detectorist activity around there either - presumably the find was somewhere near the Hermitage scenic walk. @davieh3350 isn't too far from there and may have some insight if it's popular with detector types.

There’s probably a few folks who detect there, always people there when you pass.
Not many people who would go detecting in the water I would think though.
Did it send the area where it was thrown in to the water?

Ive not read or heard anything about this.

 

[glasshouse]

So if I murder someone whilst I'm standing in your garden, you should be fined?

Oh, and you've no evidence here that a shooting took place, far less where the shooting took place and by whom.

And to clarify - an estate owner in the Highlands might own a hundred square miles of heather hill and rock, which has open access to the entire population of Scotland under our right to roam rules. They maybe visit it for two or three weeks of the year, and spend the rest of the time in another country. How the hell do you think they 'are mostly in the know what happens on the property' (your words)?

Therein lies the problem

 

[Highland Mule]

There’s probably a few folks who detect there, always people there when you pass.
Not many people who would go detecting in the water I would think though.
Did it send the area where it was thrown in to the water?

Ive not read or heard anything about this.

Wondered if there was a history of gold in the river?

 

[davieh3350]

Highland rivers move massive bouldrs, a piece oflead would be easily washed up on the shore

Made quite a mess of an 18 ton 360 last summer that was parked up on the gravel at Blair Atholl

 

[glasshouse]

But you don't need to 'make sure' murders don't happen in your garden?



I'd take that bet - do you have any idea what the rural north of Scotland is like? Anders Povlsen owns 345 square miles - that's more than half the area of greater London.

That is the problem

 

[davieh3350]

Wondered if there was a history of gold in the river?

Old coins and treasure stuff or dust and nuggets?
Think crianlarich is the closest for deposits

 

[Highland Mule]

Old coins and treasure stuff or dust and nuggets?
Think crianlarich is the closest for deposits

It was nuggets I was thinking of.

 

[Vader]

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So when will Estate Landowners be held responsible for any illegal killings on the properties it happens on? Cutting out tags wrapping it in lead sheeting and chucking it in a river is as pre-meditated as you could possibly get imo.

Or antis put it there and found it again...
Not great way to hide it if you were really nit wanting it found.

Simple way to give shooting bad press.

 

[Vader]

I struggle to see why some of these birds are protected. I had ten red kites circling above my head during lambing. Quite intimidating.

Really no need for them to be on a protected list.

Our lapwings been nearly wiped out by the large numbers of buzzards around now.

 

[kfpben]

These campaigning organisations have a pretty good record of setting up ‘finds’.

In the midlands a few years ago some antis filmed a dead fox out in a wood to ‘prove’ on camera it had been killed by the hunt. The police did investigate, only to find after a post mortem that it was road kill that had been frozen and defrosted on the day.

A lot of it is driven by hatred of people.