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Downton_shep
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And quite a well know large sheep setup so herd Monday!
Whilst it might be worth doing some bloods to investigate, if only to rule out anything for which you could do something next year, I've spoken to several early lambing flocks (mostly Dec) that had more empties and a lower %age than normal. Scanners have told the same story. Our own early mob where just the same, for no good reason, which is why I only lambed 64 last week, where I'd normally do around 100.
My earlies on get one chance of the ram, then drop back to lamb in March. Those same ewes took the ram very quickly in October, and with only 3 returns marked after 17 days. Mine are vaccinated against Toxo, all bar the shearlings were vaccinated against Enzo and the yearlings are all vaccinated against Campylobacter, so covered pretty well all bases for infectious causes here. All were treated for known TE deficiencies and kept very calm for several weeks after mating (AI and natural service).
Just one of those years?
Maybe so. I had a lot of empties a few years ago and I put it down To schmallenberg as it was quite common that year.
But apart from that never had a problem so hopefully it is just one of those years.
Dont want to sidetrack here but Idid not know you could vaccinate against campylobacter thought it was not licensed for uk? It"s been a BIG problem here over the last few yearsWhilst it might be worth doing some bloods to investigate, if only to rule out anything for which you could do something next year, I've spoken to several early lambing flocks (mostly Dec) that had more empties and a lower %age than normal. Scanners have told the same story. Our own early mob where just the same, for no good reason, which is why I only lambed 64 last week, where I'd normally do around 100.
My earlies on get one chance of the ram, then drop back to lamb in March. Those same ewes took the ram very quickly in October, and with only 3 returns marked after 17 days. Mine are vaccinated against Toxo, all bar the shearlings were vaccinated against Enzo and the yearlings are all vaccinated against Campylobacter, so covered pretty well all bases for infectious causes here. All were treated for known TE deficiencies and kept very calm for several weeks after mating (AI and natural service).
Just one of those years?
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Dont want to sidetrack here but Idid not know you could vaccinate against campylobacter thought it was not licensed for uk? It"s been a BIG problem here over the last few years
You can legally import Campyvax from NZ under special license through your vet. My vet charged me £15 to do the license and a friend brought the vaccine back for me in a cool box. It cost 30p/dose plus the £15.
They need 2 doses before the first mating, then an annual booster pre-tupping. Most just do the first booster (before second mating) though, with natural immunity taking care of it after that.
I've done all my ewe lambs and my pedigree shearlings this year, after always having a few 'not quite so good' lambs from the first timers which I put down to rumbling Campy (with a storm twice in the last 25 years). I had it go through my ET recips that lambed I'm March, which kicked my arse into action. The lambs from the vaccinated shearlings that lambed last week were certainly as good as those from the older ewes, but whether the vaccine contributed to that........?
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Those Charollais & Suffolk (breeds lambing in December) flocks that got hit by Schmallenburg a few years ago, reported massive problems at lambing. I certainly didn't see any deformities last week, nor have I heard of anyone else that has, so wouldn't think SBV was responsible.
Over half of my empties were marked by raddled teasers at the first cycle, so just didn't conceive in the first place, for whatever reason.
Whilst it might be worth doing some bloods to investigate, if only to rule out anything for which you could do something next year, I've spoken to several early lambing flocks (mostly Dec) that had more empties and a lower %age than normal. Scanners have told the same story. Our own early mob where just the same, for no good reason, which is why I only lambed 64 last week, where I'd normally do around 100.
My earlies on get one chance of the ram, then drop back to lamb in March. Those same ewes took the ram very quickly in October, and with only 3 returns marked after 17 days. Mine are vaccinated against Toxo, all bar the shearlings were vaccinated against Enzo and the yearlings are all vaccinated against Campylobacter, so covered pretty well all bases for infectious causes here. All were treated for known TE deficiencies and kept very calm for several weeks after mating (AI and natural service).
Just one of those years?
What do you use to vaccinate against Campylobacter I heard there was nowt you could do?
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As posted above, Campyvax, imported under vet license from NZ. Price also posted above.
You can legally import Campyvax from NZ under special license through your vet. My vet charged me £15 to do the license and a friend brought the vaccine back for me in a cool box. It cost 30p/dose plus the £15.
They need 2 doses before the first mating, then an annual booster pre-tupping. Most just do the first booster (before second mating) though, with natural immunity taking care of it after that.
I've done all my ewe lambs and my pedigree shearlings this year, after always having a few 'not quite so good' lambs from the first timers which I put down to rumbling Campy (with a storm twice in the last 25 years). I had it go through my ET recips that lambed I'm March, which kicked my arse into action. The lambs from the vaccinated shearlings that lambed last week were certainly as good as those from the older ewes, but whether the vaccine contributed to that........?
Sorry just seen this.
Cheers just been a bit slow 2night lol
CopperBeech
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Chuck the rest in with a better tup and have a late lambing???
BELOWAVERAGE
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Are you going to get another tup, and have some late lambs?
We are going to out a few thin ewes and see if we can get a tup for the rest
there is no pattern to who is not in lamb some are old some young some fat some thin some are a way on in lamb some not very far
Burt the tup seemed to be marking them ok but perhaps he is just not very good at his job or not very fertile, there were a few not marked though but this could have been lack of raddle
so f**k knows really
the last two years we have had everything in lamb and about 170 % the main thing that has changed is we got Burt
GrannyAching
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Is he the slobbery one?
Ouch. Was that with Colin?
Scanned a few today to get a idea of how fluke issues affected things
40 pure lleyns that weren't affected..
2 empty
10 singles
17 twins
10 triples
1 quad
195% without empties
100 odd cross bred ewes that fluke hit
12 empty
35 singles
51 twins
8 triples
1 quad
150ish% without empties included. 18 more that have been tipped to late to pick up to scan along with ewe lambs start January
40 pure lleyns that weren't affected..
2 empty
10 singles
17 twins
10 triples
1 quad
195% without empties
100 odd cross bred ewes that fluke hit
12 empty
35 singles
51 twins
8 triples
1 quad
150ish% without empties included. 18 more that have been tipped to late to pick up to scan along with ewe lambs start January