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[onthehoof]

 

[More to life]

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Fish and chip paper and I'm anti Brexit

 

[7610 super q]

Why is crop output reduced ?

Anyhow, we've had nothing but doom and gloom since last June.
I don't know how much better things have to get before the whingers stop whinging. If we all ended up being millionaires, they'd still be at it.

 

[Muck Spreader]

No one knows what's going to happen. IMO that's the worst thing about the whole thing.

 

[Old McDonald]

No one knows what's going to happen. IMO that's the worst thing about the whole thing.

Why would you expect to know what is going to happen? Of course nobody knows. As with many things in life, this is a "first". At the same time, sufficient of us were convinced that we did not want to continue to have the UK being subservient to the EU, despite not knowing what the alternative would bring.

We all make decisions about our land every day without knowing what the outcome will be. We sometimes have quite a good idea, sometimes we do not. When we begin a new enterprise (and in my farming around the world I have more experience than most in that) we can only make an informed guess at the outcome. Some of us are prepared to do so, others are not.

Can you truthfully say you knew what would happen to all aspects of your life when you moved to France?

 

[Billhook]

Why would you expect to know what is going to happen? Of course nobody knows. As with many things in life, this is a "first". At the same time, sufficient of us were convinced that we did not want to continue to have the UK being subservient to the EU, despite not knowing what the alternative would bring.

We all make decisions about our land every day without knowing what the outcome will be. We sometimes have quite a good idea, sometimes we do not. When we begin a new enterprise (and in my farming around the world I have more experience than most in that) we can only make an informed guess at the outcome. Some of us are prepared to do so, others are not.

Can you truthfully say you knew what would happen to all aspects of your life when you moved to France?

Quite right Old McDonald.
If I was in a terrible marriage, which thank the Lord I am not, and decided that I could not take any more of a domineering partner who spends all my money on jewellery and clothes and holidays, so opted for divorce. It would not be very helpful if all my friends came up with all the negativity "How are you going to manage when you are on your own, you cannot cook, you cannot wash and iron your clothes, you are old and ugly and have not much chance of finding a new partner out there in the big wide world"

You know what you have to deal with for the rest of your life if you remain, but if you leave there is one big word, and that is HOPE which is better than the opposite which is "no hope"

 

[orchard]

Haha, I dig the analogy, it's just a shame that you've jumped back into bed with your ex who takes you for granted and spends all your money trying to get into bed with any corporation she can

Quite right Old McDonald.
If I was in a terrible marriage, which thank the Lord I am not, and decided that I could not take any more of a domineering partner who spends all my money on jewellery and clothes and holidays, so opted for divorce. It would not be very helpful if all my friends came up with all the negativity "How are you going to manage when you are on your own, you cannot cook, you cannot wash and iron your clothes, you are old and ugly and have not much chance of finding a new partner out there in the big wide world"

You know what you have to deal with for the rest of your life if you remain, but if you leave there is one big word, and that is HOPE which is better than the opposite which is "no hope"

 

[Old McDonald]

Haha, I dig the analogy, it's just a shame that you've jumped back into bed with your ex who takes you for granted and spends all your money trying to get into bed with any corporation she can

I do not understand your analogy. Please explain.

 

[orchard]

I do not understand your analogy. Please explain.

I'm stating that by ceding more power again to Westminster we, as citizens, need to be careful and ensure that we aren't under the illusion that it's an end unto itself. The current Government will quite happily seize the power to shape our future to serve corporate interests and have poor long term vision and statecraft when we need it most to forge our future.
We need to ensure that the groundwork for the UK is established on a sound footing in order to facilitate good stewardship.

 

[caveman]

I'm stating that by ceding more power again to Westminster we, as citizens, need to be careful and ensure that we aren't under the illusion that it's an end unto itself. The current Government will quite happily seize the power to shape our future to serve corporate interests and have poor long term vision and statecraft when we need it most to forge our future.
We need to ensure that the groundwork for the UK is established on a sound footing in order to facilitate good stewardship.

Vote for the government you want.

 

[orchard]

Vote for the government you want.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[Old McDonald]

I'm stating that by ceding more power again to Westminster we, as citizens, need to be careful and ensure that we aren't under the illusion that it's an end unto itself. The current Government will quite happily seize the power to shape our future to serve corporate interests and have poor long term vision and statecraft when we need it most to forge our future.
We need to ensure that the groundwork for the UK is established on a sound footing in order to facilitate good stewardship.

Which party would you prefer to be leading us to Brexit? Is there, and has there ever been a politician who will not quite happily seize whatever power he/she can? It is the nature of the beast - they crave power, that is why they are ploiticians. Who has the "long term vision and statecraft" to meet your wishes?

You, I and every other voter have no say in how the government of the day conducts its business. We can only hope that the Brexit negotiations are successful. I have great faith in the present government (including all the ministers) to achieve the best it can. Obviously I am well aware that almost all the other 27 will do their damndest to make life difficult for the UK. They always have and they always will. they have supposedly been "friends" for a mere 40 years. I believe we will soon find out that most of them are what are known as fair weather friends. So long as the UK paid some of their bills they were happy. They are now upset that the golden goose will soon stop laying.

 

[orchard]

Personally, I would have thought that a separate cross-party body should be established, with the full participation of the regions.
It really is too important just to leave to a naïve Government which will simply look to preserve its own narrow short-term interests according to some failing dogma.

It's odd that you say that as individual citizens we have no say in the process, and yet a single corporate lobbyist can get a policy u-turn or special agreements in twenty-four hours. Is this what is meant buy 'taking back control'?

I'm not sure what the members of our current Government have done to inspire you with 'great faith', unless of course, you mean it in a sense employed by Schiller and Goethe.

Which party would you prefer to be leading us to Brexit? Is there, and has there ever been a politician who will not quite happily seize whatever power he/she can? It is the nature of the beast - they crave power, that is why they are ploiticians. Who has the "long term vision and statecraft" to meet your wishes?

You, I and every other voter have no say in how the government of the day conducts its business. We can only hope that the Brexit negotiations are successful. I have great faith in the present government (including all the ministers) to achieve the best it can. Obviously I am well aware that almost all the other 27 will do their damndest to make life difficult for the UK. They always have and they always will. they have supposedly been "friends" for a mere 40 years. I believe we will soon find out that most of them are what are known as fair weather friends. So long as the UK paid some of their bills they were happy. They are now upset that the golden goose will soon stop laying.

 

[arbel]

Vote for the government you want.

It appears that on the 8th of June, we will all have that opportunity. No guessing as to which party will be the winner!!

 

[Henarar]

It appears that on the 8th of June, we will all have that opportunity. No guessing as to which party will be the winner!!

SNP apparently they are going to put up candidates throughout the UK

 

[arbel]

It's sh*t or bust this time for the Wee Krankie. If the SNP loses many seats to Labour or the Tories, she might as well fall on her sword (dirk).

My guess is that her knees are knocking after the General Election announcement.

 

[Henarar]

EU minister wants tariff-free period post-Brexit

The EU agriculture minister’s statement that he wants to see a tariff-free transition period on trade deals post-Brexit was welcome news, NFU livestock board chairman Charles Sercombe has said.

Phil Hogan made the comments while outlining the difficulties that lay ahead for the livestock sector when Brexit negotiations begin after the General Election in June.

Speaking at the IFA’s Brexit Conference in Dublin this week, Commissioner Hogan described negotiations as one of the “most complex economic social challenges facing Ireland and the UK”.

Mr Sercombe, who attended the conference with NFU chief livestock adviser John Royle, said: “It was a very political speech delivered to a receptive audience and Hogan certainly made an impression.

Related...

• Our dedicated post-Brexit farm policy channel
• News from YOUR sector: Our livestock pages
  
• What does Brexit mean for YOUR farming sector?

“We are pleased that he mentioned his ambition to see a tariff-free transition period on any trade deals – this will be welcome news to farmers and growers concerned about the impact of a 'hard' Brexit.

“We were also re-assured that our animal welfare standards will put us in a good place when it comes to maintaining trade with existing EU markets. However we should be vigilant in ensuring that the UK is not undermined by cheap imports from countries that do not meet the high welfare and food safety standards expected of the industry, and demanded by shoppers.”

Commissioner Hogan discussed various other issues as part of his speech, including food quality and safety, farm to fork traceability, the impacts of Brexit on other member states such as Netherlands, Denmark and France, and the CAP budget.

 

[arbel]

EU minister wants tariff-free period post-Brexit

The EU agriculture minister’s statement that he wants to see a tariff-free transition period on trade deals post-Brexit was welcome news, NFU livestock board chairman Charles Sercombe has said.

Phil Hogan made the comments while outlining the difficulties that lay ahead for the livestock sector when Brexit negotiations begin after the General Election in June.

Speaking at the IFA’s Brexit Conference in Dublin this week, Commissioner Hogan described negotiations as one of the “most complex economic social challenges facing Ireland and the UK”.

Mr Sercombe, who attended the conference with NFU chief livestock adviser John Royle, said: “It was a very political speech delivered to a receptive audience and Hogan certainly made an impression.

Related...

• Our dedicated post-Brexit farm policy channel
• News from YOUR sector: Our livestock pages
  
• What does Brexit mean for YOUR farming sector?

“We are pleased that he mentioned his ambition to see a tariff-free transition period on any trade deals – this will be welcome news to farmers and growers concerned about the impact of a 'hard' Brexit.

“We were also re-assured that our animal welfare standards will put us in a good place when it comes to maintaining trade with existing EU markets. However we should be vigilant in ensuring that the UK is not undermined by cheap imports from countries that do not meet the high welfare and food safety standards expected of the industry, and demanded by shoppers.”

Commissioner Hogan discussed various other issues as part of his speech, including food quality and safety, farm to fork traceability, the impacts of Brexit on other member states such as Netherlands, Denmark and France, and the CAP budget.

The long and short of it is that any tariffs imposed after a Brexit would severely damage the economies of both the UK and the EU.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and despite all the sabre rattling, there is no way that businesses operating in the EU are going to allow the fat cat politicians to erode their profits, destabilise existing trade agreements and do anything to that damages the status quo.
The guys drawing big salaries in the European Commission know that those salaries have to come from somewhere. The money doesn't just fall from the skies. Their lavish lunches and privileged life style is paid for from the taxes generated by working people, doing useful jobs and trading with each other. Damage trade and it will all go t*ts up for them too.

 

[Exfarmer]

The long and short of it is that any tariffs imposed after a Brexit would severely damage the economies of both the UK and the EU.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and despite all the sabre rattling, there is no way that businesses operating in the EU are going to allow the fat cat politicians to erode their profits, destabilise existing trade agreements and do anything to that damages the status quo.
The guys drawing big salaries in the European Commission know that those salaries have to come from somewhere. The money doesn't just fall from the skies. Their lavish lunches and privileged life style is paid for from the taxes generated by working people, doing useful jobs and trading with each other. Damage trade and it will all go t*ts up for them too.

Life is not that simple, many of these politicians have got electorates at home who are uneasy about the EU.
If they give us too easy a ride the hext French GE will be a walkover for Le Pen and that would really chuck the cat in with the pigeons.

 

[czechmate]

Life is not that simple, many of these politicians have got electorates at home who are uneasy about the EU.
If they give us too easy a ride the hext French GE will be a walkover for Le Pen and that would really chuck the cat in with the pigeons.

Assuming MLP doesn't win next Sunday, then she is finished. Her party doesn't like/want her anyway and are only tolerating her at the mo as they see her as their best chance of a president at the mo. Fail at that and she is gone. So she won't be around at the next.