Scotland

[rhifsaith]

I can think of many responses to this, but the one that keeps coming back to me is - Away an bile yer heid! There was nothing united about the kingdom that voted to leave and we are still not united. NI will get special treatment, Scotland and Wales will always be an afterthought at best by Westminster. You may be happy to settle for scraps though. I would prefer the choice of scraps or making our own way.

Trouble is,the reply’s you’re getting are mostly from English people living in wales,they’re not going to support independence.

 

[Nithsdale]

Trouble is,the reply’s you’re getting are mostly from English people living in wales,they’re not going to support independence.

They don't want to lose their 'empire'...

 

[abitdaft]

Trouble is,the reply’s you’re getting are mostly from English people living in wales,they’re not going to support independence.

I'm not asking anyone to support independence, just our right to have a vote on it given the changes and the lies that were told in both lead ups to each referendum. It does rankle some that Westminster feel that they have the deciding say on whether we can or can't but I feel the more they say no, the more the Scots will turn towards having their say. As they say it's " The Principle ".

 

[glasshouse]

Well that rules out me, @Nithsdale Farmer and @glasshouse

Cant believe i have missed this thread for four weeks

 

[glasshouse]

The Conservative party will do what it takes to stay in power. When the time comes they will cut Scotland loose. I can certainly see Scottish MPs loosing the right to vote on “English only” issues.

They already did

 

[glasshouse]

Letter in The Times today. An interesting observation, I thought.

INDEPENDENT NATION
Sir, I disagree with David Smith’s pessimistic view on the economics of Scottish independence (business, Dec 18). As his piece confirms, Scotland’s tax revenue per head is on a par with that of the UK. For argument’s sake, let us imagine he is right that “an independent Scotland is not economically viable”. Scotland is surrounded by independent countries of a similar size that are not just viable but positively thriving in comparison with the UK. It is also blessed with even greater natural and human resources than most of those peers. If, after 312 years of Union, such a country has been rendered unique out of all northwest European nations in being “non-viable”, then what a damning indictment of that Union, and what a powerful argument for change that would be.
Chris Hegarty
North Berwick, East Lothian

Spot on

 

[abitdaft]

The Conservative party will do what it takes to stay in power. When the time comes they will cut Scotland loose. I can certainly see Scottish MPs loosing the right to vote on “English only” issues.

West Lothian question - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Agrivator]

Letter in The Times today. An interesting observation, I thought.

INDEPENDENT NATION
Sir, I disagree with David Smith’s pessimistic view on the economics of Scottish independence (business, Dec 18). As his piece confirms, Scotland’s tax revenue per head is on a par with that of the UK. For argument’s sake, let us imagine he is right that “an independent Scotland is not economically viable”. Scotland is surrounded by independent countries of a similar size that are not just viable but positively thriving in comparison with the UK. It is also blessed with even greater natural and human resources than most of those peers. If, after 312 years of Union, such a country has been rendered unique out of all northwest European nations in being “non-viable”, then what a damning indictment of that Union, and what a powerful argument for change that would be.
Chris Hegarty
North Berwick, East Lothian

But Scotland's tax revenue/head includes the hypothetical Income Tax and National Insurance paid by those employed in Scotland's enormous public sector. In many areas, the Council and NHS are the main employers. The tax that public-sector workers pay doesn't add to the Government's coffers - because the Government gives it to them and then takes it back. It does not exist. That's why socialist states soon run out of other people's money and go bust.

The writer of the above letter cited by Hindsight lives in North Berwick. His judgement might be clouded by the fact that North Berwick is one of the busiest, bustling and thriving towns anywhere North of Watford Gap. It is not representative of the rest of Scotland apart from maybe Pitlochry.

 

[glasshouse]

But Scotland's tax revenue/head includes the hypothetical Income Tax and National Insurance paid by those employed in Scotland's enormous public sector. In many areas, the Council and NHS are the main employers. The tax that public-sector workers pay doesn't add to the Government's coffers - because the Government gives it to them and then takes it back. It does not exist. That's why socialist states soon run out of other people's money and go bust.

The writer of the above letter cited by Hindsight lives in North Berwick. His judgement might be clouded by the fact that North Berwick is one of the busiest, bustling and thriving towns anywhere North of Watford Gap. It is not representative of the rest of Scotland apart from maybe Pitlochry.

What pure unadulterated pish
North berwick is care home by the sea.
Have u never been to aberdeen, the source of uk wealth since 1978?
I think you are maybe from northern ireland, THE most subsidised region in the uk

 

[jendan]

What pure unadulterated pish
North berwick is care home by the sea.
Have u never been to aberdeen, the source of uk wealth since 1978?
I think you are maybe from northern ireland, THE most subsidised region in the uk

It has a nice pitch and put coarse,open air swimming pool,and you can walk up the Law. and even have a sail around the Bass rock.

 

[Agrivator]

What pure unadulterated pish
North berwick is care home by the sea.
Have u never been to aberdeen, the source of uk wealth since 1978?
I think you are maybe from northern ireland, THE most subsidised region in the uk

I am afraid you are about ten years out of date. Aberdeen's real wealth started in 1972 but it is now in a deep and long depression because of the oil -price-collapse: Union Street has too many empty shops and charity shops, and there are 1000s of houses and office blocks on the market. North Berwick on the other hand is a much sought-after location for Edinburgh folk because of its proximity, good schools, and relative safety. But unfortunately, house prices are well out of reach of local young folk.

 

[glasshouse]

I am afraid you are about ten years out of date. Aberdeen's real wealth started in 1972 but it is now in a deep and long depression because of the oil -price-collapse: Union Street has too many empty shops and charity shops, and there are 1000s of houses and office blocks on the market. North Berwick on the other hand is a much sought-after location for Edinburgh folk because of its proximity, good schools, and relative safety. But unfortunately, house prices are well out of reach of local young folk.

Rubbish
“The busiest town north of watford gap””
What substance are u abusing tonight?

 

[Agrivator]

Rubbish
“The busiest town north of watford gap””
What substance are u abusing tonight?

A box of Quality Street, left over from Christmas.

 

[hoff135]

Lol, yes laugh out loud and the scot nats who harp on about how the english brexiteers are turning into racists and nazis etc when ive now twice had either my life threatened, told to f*ck off out of scotland, called traitorous scum by scot nats who dont like being told i dont agree with them. Albeit they were half drunk and a bit over excited.

Ones as bad as the other

 

[Danllan]

Lol, yes laugh out loud and the scot nats who harp on about how the english brexiteers are turning into racists and nazis etc when ive now twice had either my life threatened, told to f*ck off out of scotland, called traitorous scum by scot nats who dont like being told i dont agree with them. Albeit they were half drunk and a bit over excited.

Ones as bad as the other

Most parties have some very unpleasant people lurking in them, the SNP is no different in this regard. I loathe NS and her chums, but I don't for a moment think that the vast majority of them - bolts through their necks thought they have - are nasty like that. But there are a fair number who are and, it appears, their numbers are growing.

I know of several instances in which soldiers serving in Scottish regiments have been in uniform in Scotland and have been assaulted because they had a Union Flag on them. My understanding, and I'm open to correction here, is that the nasty side of the SNP shows itself solely in the Central Belt.

 

[hoff135]

Most parties have some very unpleasant people lurking in them, the SNP is no different in this regard. I loathe NS and her chums, but I don't for a moment think that the vast majority of them - bolts through their necks thought they have - are nasty like that. But there are a fair number who are and, it appears, their numbers are growing.

I know of several instances in which soldiers serving in Scottish regiments have been in uniform in Scotland and have been assaulted because they had a Union Flag on them. My understanding, and I'm open to correction here, is that the nasty side of the SNP shows itself solely in the Central Belt.

No of course there are nasty people in each party. And most people in england and scotland are fine but its not right to be calling the english people racists and nazis etc for voting to leave the eu when there are plenty hear that get pretty nasty should anyone challenge what they believe. I can tell you that in the very north of scotland there is plenty places, pubs etc you keep your mouth shut in. Often hear people talk of killing the english, burn them out etc. Okay we are talking about drunks but never the less these people exist here to.

 

[Danllan]

No of course there are nasty people in each party. And most people in england and scotland are fine but its not right to be calling the english people racists and nazis etc for voting to leave the eu when there are plenty hear that get pretty nasty should anyone challenge what they believe. I can tell you that in the very north of scotland there is plenty places, pubs etc you keep your mouth shut in. Often hear people talk of killing the english, burn them out etc. Okay we are talking about drunks but never the less these people exist here to.

That's not good to read; bearing in mind that over a million Scots voted to leave the EU too, there must be a lot of people up there who are afraid to speak their minds. Not a good situation.

 

[hoff135]

That's not good to read; bearing in mind that over a million Scots voted to leave the EU too, there must be a lot of people up there who are afraid to speak their minds. Not a good situation.

Yes and actually my constituency is one of only 2 in scotland to vote to leave. People dont seem heated up to much about leaving the eu more so using it as an excuse for independence. I know one pub i sometimes visit and its solid snp. I would not go in there wearing ths union flag thats for sure

Seems like were are starting to morph into northern ireland.

 

[glasshouse]

You must be the really annoying sort who goes around wearing a union flag

 

[M-J-G]

Seems like were are starting to morph into northern ireland.

I doubt it