Scottish ploughing championships

[wuddy]

Plot draw for Sunday’s plough offs!
Missed David Thomlinson of classic list with my screen shot!

 

[Directdebit]

Anyone got the results?

 

[Mydexta]

https://www.scotplough.co.uk/results/

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

Good old Richard Ingram in the mounted vintage.....top man, takes some beating!

 

[Mydexta]

Good old Richard Ingram in the mounted vintage.....top man, takes some beating!

You’ll have to come up next yr and try and give him a run for his money!!!

 

[Lurker]

I must say I like how the Scottish publish a summary of whom has made it to the plough off that evening, and what is much more impressive is that the very evening they complete the championships they don’t just only publish the summary of the winners and runners-up but also publish the full detailed points sheet complete with the name of the ploughman as well, why can’t the SOP and others do the same?

While they are at it why don’t the SOP adopt the Scottish judging/stewarding and points system in its entirety as it seems a much fairer system than the SOP use at present I think.

 

[Howard150]

I must say I like how the Scottish publish a summary of whom has made it to the plough off that evening, and what is much more impressive is that the very evening they complete the championships they don’t just only publish the summary of the winners and runners-up but also publish the full detailed points sheet complete with the name of the ploughman as well, why can’t the SOP and others do the same?

While they are at it why don’t the SOP adopt the Scottish judging/stewarding and points system in its entirety as it seems a much fairer system than the SOP use at present I think.

Judged there last weekend. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Two Scott’s guys, both from different areas, and myself judging all aspects on what was basically one score sheet. Marks for opening and crown taken back to office after all starts complete. Second sheet for all the remaining aspects. Republic of Ireland judge in the same way on a slightly different score sheet. No general appearance in Scotland for the vintage classes
Felt very much at home as we have had a similar sheet at Scarcroft for the last 2 or 3 years, the only major difference with Scottish being is that they include straightness for the ‘Opening’ aspect. Their aspects for the start and finish both include firmness, seedbed and uniformity as well as straightness. The aspect straightness covers middle work.
We have four straightness aspects, opening, crown, finish and middle work worth 20 points each. Our total for straightness is not halved as is the European and World. For middle work we have, in a similar manner to ROI, divided up seedbed into 2 categories which make far more sense, use of skimmers, the other being soil made available (flesh in ROI) Grand total on our sheet is 240. In our opinion it is more easily understood, has sufficient latitude to apportion points correctly and most importantly of all, removes the aspect favoured by judges of somewhat lower integrity, of which there are plenty.
No two ways about it. Three judges together give honest and adroit men a chance to overrule said men of lower integrity.
The current English scoring and judging system is well past its sell by date. Well done Scotland if for nothing else than the ability to change things for the better in a fair, open and democratic way.

 

[Ley253]

Straightness, straightness straightness! Ye gods, like truth, you cannot quantify straightness, its either straight, or its not! The correct term could be curvature though!
What happens if you have two Low integrity judges though?

 

[Dealer]

Looks like the English took all 3 vintage classes

Richard Ingram

David Tomlinson

John Milnes

Well done all.

 

[Howard150]

1. Straightness, straightness straightness! Ye gods, like truth, you cannot quantify straightness, its either straight, or its not! The correct term could be curvature though!
   What happens if you have two Low integrity judges though?

   
   Cantankery at it’s finest.
   We could also say Uniformty, Uniformity, Uniformity cos it’s either uniform or it’s not.
   We could also say Firmness, Firmness, Firmness cos it’s either firm or it’s not.
   We could also say Seedbed, Seedbed, Seedbed cos it’s either a Seedbed or it’s not.
   If we apply your logic to the scoresheet then potentially in some cases a ploughman might well be straight and by virtue of that would have 20 for that aspect (full marks only being given for perfect). That same ploughman could possibly also have 20 for uniformity, for being perfectly uniform, but for nothing else. The rest of the class ploughing anything less than perfect would have 1 per aspect (not allowed to give less than 1 in the European) which would leave the winner on 47 with a tie for last on 9.
   
   Like it or not straigtness is probably the hardest aspect to master with very few plots being straight. Many of us feel that straightness is one of the main aspects. It is definitely not just points for driving up and down the field.
   
   Surely all aspects on a scoresheet are measured as ‘degrees of’ whatever that aspect is.

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

You’ll have to come up next yr and try and give him a run for his money!!!

I do actually quite fancy doing it, even the mrs was keen for a nice long weekend up there (she use to work in the borders).

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

Looks like the English took all 3 vintage classes

Richard Ingram

David Tomlinson

John Milnes

Well done all.

Close run thing with John Milner and Ray Alderson....both top men.

 

[Lurker]

Now children have you learned nothing!

That’s enough, you can both have your viewpoints just don’t attack rack others or the mod will just shut down an interesting thread.

 

[Howard150]

Now children have you learned nothing!

That’s enough, you can both have your viewpoints just don’t attack rack others or the mod will just shut down an interesting thread.

Come on Lurker. Scuse me for saying but what is a debate without an airing of differing viewpoints?
You did ask the question in the first place

There are a number of very good points in the Scottish, the Irish and the European. All are lacking in some part or other. What needs to happen is to have a set of rules and a scoresheet that encompasses all the good points taken from all of them and allows a fair and just means of application.

 

[Howard150]

I do actually quite fancy doing it, even the mrs was keen for a nice long weekend up there (she use to work in the borders).

Nice well run match Charlie but it could be 300 miles further north next year.
Quite a few English lads made it through to the plough offs.

Besides John and Ray, Frank Millington and John Hodges in the trailer class

Besides Richard, Alex Evans, Reg Wilkinson and Colin Hewettson in the vintage mounted.

 

[Boohoo]

Good old Richard Ingram in the mounted vintage.....top man, takes some beating!

He must've been well out in front, not like them to let a "foreigner" win.

 

[Mydexta]

Nice well run match Charlie but it could be 300 miles further north next year.
Quite a few English lads made it through to the plough offs.

Besides John and Ray, Frank Millington and John Hodges in the trailer class

Besides Richard, Alex Evans, Reg Wilkinson and Colin Hewettson in the vintage mounted.

Next yr it is roughly 100 miles further north than this yr, up in the east neuk of fife.
Also on next yr, at the same time as the Scottish championships, are the European championships

 

[Dealer]

Do you need to qualify to plough at the Scottish?

 

[Howard150]

He must've been well out in front, not like them to let a "foreigner" win.

Seemed to be what was a fairly varying geographical selection of judges. John Whelan & Eamonn Treacy from the Republic of Ireland, the English contingent was Graeme & Simon Witty in the modern stuff, Charlie Halliday, and myself in the vintage classes, Ray Edmondson in the visitors plough off on the Sunday. Pat Froom in the horse classes........and before anybody says it, judging that written in soil, not faces.

 

[Boohoo]

Seemed to be what was a fairly varying geographical selection of judges. John Whelan & Eamonn Treacy from the Republic of Ireland, the English contingent was Graeme & Simon Witty in the modern stuff, Charlie Halliday, and myself in the vintage classes, Ray Edmondson in the visitors plough off on the Sunday. Pat Froom in the horse classes........and before anybody says it, judging that written in soil, not faces.

How things should be, nice to see that things have changed for the better.