Scottish Water Compliance

Bungee123

Member
We've had a Compliance Officer visit from Scottish Water this week and he has left us with a long list of issues that he would like rectified. Most of them relate to the tiny possibility that water will get sucked up the hosepipe/trough inlet pipe and contaminated water will get into the mains water system. He wants all the taps changed around the yard so that you can't attach a hosepipe to them, a water trough which is currently a metal bath changed to a 'proper' water trough and a none-return valve positioned next to the water meter. Can anyone advise me if a none-return valve is fitted next to the meter which supplies all the water to the farm why all the taps have to be changed as surely the valve next to the meter will stop any dirty water in the extremely unlikely event of the water going in the wrong direction up the hosepipe! Also, why is it the down to the farmer to put the none-return valve in next to the water meter and not Scottish Waters? TIA
 

Happy

Member
Location
Scotland
No idea why anything more than non return valve after the meter is required.
With my taps he just wanted them all to have non return valves in them. No mention of not connecting hoses to them.
Water would have to travel 50m uphill over a distance of 700m to get to their meter!
Is it still just photographic evidence of improvements they require? If so photo of tap with no hose attached:rolleyes:
 
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Bungee123

Member
No idea why anything more than non return valve after the meter is required.
With my taps he just wanted them all to have non return valves in them. No mention of not connecting hoses to them.
Is it still just photographic evidence of improvements they require? If so photo of tap with no hose attached:rolleyes:
He was a total jobsworth! Apparently you can have a hosepipe and no valve attached to a domestic house and that isn't a problem! He was the sort to do a spot check when he's passing :X3:
 

Frodo

Member
Location
Scotland (east)
I think the theory is you could poison yourself.

be aware he did make a few return visits to me. I thought I was a fairly low risk, with most of things installed by a professional plumber.

left me thinking a borehole might be a good idea
 
Scottish Water's responsibility will be up to (and including) the meter. Anything after the meter outlet will be your responsibility. What's is your incoming mains diameter? No idea why he wants the taps changed as well, I know they are trying to get away from taps with the internal check valves as the plastic breaks when frozen.
 

Bungee123

Member
I think the theory is you could poison yourself.

be aware he did make a few return visits to me. I thought I was a fairly low risk, with most of things installed by a professional plumber.

left me thinking a borehole might be a good idea
I could understand it if water going up a hosepipe was a regular occurence but surely if the tap is turned off it couldn't happen (correct me if I'm wrong!)
 
I could understand it if water going up a hosepipe was a regular occurence but surely if the tap is turned off it couldn't happen (correct me if I'm wrong!)
Yes, if the taps closed then it can't return. I'm led to believe the overreaction is that a homeowner was topping up his pond and the end of the hose was in the pond, the Firebrigade arrived to a call and opened up a hydrant and syphoned the guys pond into the mains.......chance in a million but we all have to pay for it!
 

Bungee123

Member
Yes, if the taps closed then it can't return. I'm led to believe the overreaction is that a homeowner was topping up his pond and the end of the hose was in the pond, the Firebrigade arrived to a call and opened up a hydrant and syphoned the guys pond into the mains.......chance in a million but we all have to pay for it!
My god, we're going to have to fill a form in to leave the house soon!!
 

dunkie

Member
Location
West Lothian
Had our first Scottish Water inspection about 8 years ago, had a non return, one way valve on the main after the meter, most of the taps had anti syphon valves, made no difference, cut the threaded part off every tap and they were happy, ideally they want taps supplied from a header tank with the overflow below the fill point.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
We've had a Compliance Officer visit from Scottish Water this week and he has left us with a long list of issues that he would like rectified. Most of them relate to the tiny possibility that water will get sucked up the hosepipe/trough inlet pipe and contaminated water will get into the mains water system. He wants all the taps changed around the yard so that you can't attach a hosepipe to them, a water trough which is currently a metal bath changed to a 'proper' water trough and a none-return valve positioned next to the water meter. Can anyone advise me if a none-return valve is fitted next to the meter which supplies all the water to the farm why all the taps have to be changed as surely the valve next to the meter will stop any dirty water in the extremely unlikely event of the water going in the wrong direction up the hosepipe! Also, why is it the down to the farmer to put the none-return valve in next to the water meter and not Scottish Waters? TIA
Tell him to fork off
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
Having to change the taps and troughs and create ‘air gaps’ was an expensive hoop to jump through. No more hoses attached to mains pressure.

Now we’re supposed to use “a low pressure header tank with an electric pump”. They even had us put in a full length overflow pipe in the fresh water tank that fills the sprayer to enforce the air gap between float valve and the water level. Apparently just drilling a 5 cm hole wouldn’t do, because “a bird might get in the hole and die, and if the fire brigade draw water from a hydrant it might contaminate the supply”…
…WTF?!
 

KennyO

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Angus
The guy told me, a couple of years ago now, that a mechanical non return valve was not enough, because it could fail without anyone knowing. They want a clear air gap between mains water source and any troughs. Proper troughs always overflow before the water inlet is submerged.

We had an old bath made into a trough so had to Stihl saw a vee into the end of it so it would overflow. The problem they have with hoses is they can be left running into a trough and then back Syphon if there is a burst no like was pointed out above.

He was very happy cause most of our troughs are supplied from a large header tank and said this would be their ideal situation.
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
Is it a legal requirement to let them inspect I got a letter to say they were coming but I can’t be arsed with it one bit
Make them comply with every H&S requirement....to the extreme. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Full PPE and spray down with disinfectant for a starter. Don't want them visiting multiple farms then tramping all the bugs they've collected onto our land, do we?
 

valtraman

Member
Make them comply with every H&S requirement....to the extreme. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Full PPE and spray down with disinfectant for a starter. Don't want them visiting multiple farms then tramping all the bugs they've collected onto our land, do we?
Very good like it
 
We have a domestic dish washer in our bottling room for the seperater discs.
Although there are hundreds of thousands in houses directly connected to the mains, because ours was in a commercial site it could not be.
Total rubbish
Fortunatly we had the drillers coming so that fixed him
 

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

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