Scottish Water Compliance

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
Scotland is becoming a bureaucratic quagmire. The civil servants manipulate the laws to obliged their friends, counter criticism with white wash, and make up new rules to keep the job's worths employed. Want to licence an air rifle? It's more complicated and difficult than getting a FAC for .22LR or centre fire. Why? Because the latter are issued by the Home Office, and the air weapons by the Scottish government.
 

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
Inspector here 3 or 4 yr ago said the checks were to stop the chance of back siphoning from troughs, puddles etc into the mains should they have a problem. Ideally header tanks and airgaps. Not too bad as we don’t have stock. The chap also advised to get it all up to scratch that year as he was retiring and his replacement was straight out of college and a right little hitler.
 
None of the things you are being asked to do are anything new, regs have been in place for years just not enforced. If anything in some areas they are probably hoping that applying/enforcing a few more rules and regs will encourage you to find alternative water sources (boreholes roof water etc) to take load off the mains network to give them capacity for all the houses being built.
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
None of the things you are being asked to do are anything new, regs have been in place for years just not enforced. If anything in some areas they are probably hoping that applying/enforcing a few more rules and regs will encourage you to find alternative water sources (boreholes roof water etc) to take load off the mains network to give them capacity for all the houses being built.
That's the problem. Half the regulations are not enforced, especially not on 'friends', and the other half are so unintelligible that those who are meant to apply them don't understand them. "Law that cannot be enforced is bad law". Will they never learn that? I'm just off to break one now. Will they catch me? It's Sunday!:rolleyes:
 

Bungee123

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Inspector here 3 or 4 yr ago said the checks were to stop the chance of back siphoning from troughs, puddles etc into the mains should they have a problem. Ideally header tanks and airgaps. Not too bad as we don’t have stock. The chap also advised to get it all up to scratch that year as he was retiring and his replacement was straight out of college and a right little hitler.
That'll be the one we've got!!!
 
Hi I’ve got one of these inspections coming , did anyone have blue alkathene pipe laid across fields to temporary water troughs ? What’s their view on that ?
 

melted welly

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Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
Hi I’ve got one of these inspections coming , did anyone have blue alkathene pipe laid across fields to temporary water troughs ? What’s their view on that ?
Similar scenario at our washplant, they don’t like it.

Alkathene for underground/undercover only in their eyes as it degrades in direct sunlight. Were happy with it if lagged.
 

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
That’s what I thought . Was it just a recommendation or was that seen as non compliance ?
The guy who came here was quite good, gave me a list and asked for photos to be sent of work done.

He did add however that he was retiring and the next generation were considerably more fastidious and unsympathetic to real world events.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
No idea why anything more than non return valve after the meter is required.
With my taps he just wanted them all to have non return valves in them. No mention of not connecting hoses to them.
Water would have to travel 50m uphill over a distance of 700m to get to their meter!
Is it still just photographic evidence of improvements they require? If so photo of tap with no hose attached:rolleyes:
What good is a tap without being able to use a hosepipe....?

Pressure washer for starters..
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
Well, this is on queue!

I had an "engineer" here the other day looking for a leak as the pressure was down. I told him I didn't have a leak but would put my hand up to letting a tap run during the frost so the water would not freeze. I'd soon fix that.

Well, the tap wasn't running and the pressure to the house is still down. So I messaged them the information and suggested where to look for a burst.

I got a reply back saying that all the pipework on my property was my responsibility. I fired back a reply that I was just trying to help. Message came back, please supply the following infomation quoting xyz. Previously, I would just have had a quick word with the local foreman and it would be sorted.

I don't think we can actually refuse them entry but doing so causes them no end of hassle. A few years ago, the water main (old asbestos-cement pipes laid in the 1940s) ran right through the farm. There was a burst once every couple of weeks on average. I was advised to charge them for damage when they came in to make a repair (a nominal £100 a time. (It was the only thing that made a profit!).

Then a new team came in. Broke fences, left gates open, etc. I told them they would not get on again until my bill for damages was paid for. No cheque arrived so next time they wanted on it was an emphatic "NO!". Well the heavy team and half a dozen vehicles were lined up at my gate waiting for someone to find the area manager with the cheque book! I did let them on but the guys with the picks and shovels thought it was great. They were actually cheering me!

So you can invoke animal health and refuse entry. They will get on eventually but it causes them no end of hassle. :ROFLMAO:
 
Well, this is on queue!

I had an "engineer" here the other day looking for a leak as the pressure was down. I told him I didn't have a leak but would put my hand up to letting a tap run during the frost so the water would not freeze. I'd soon fix that.

Well, the tap wasn't running and the pressure to the house is still down. So I messaged them the information and suggested where to look for a burst.

I got a reply back saying that all the pipework on my property was my responsibility. I fired back a reply that I was just trying to help. Message came back, please supply the following infomation quoting xyz. Previously, I would just have had a quick word with the local foreman and it would be sorted.

I don't think we can actually refuse them entry but doing so causes them no end of hassle. A few years ago, the water main (old asbestos-cement pipes laid in the 1940s) ran right through the farm. There was a burst once every couple of weeks on average. I was advised to charge them for damage when they came in to make a repair (a nominal £100 a time. (It was the only thing that made a profit!).

Then a new team came in. Broke fences, left gates open, etc. I told them they would not get on again until my bill for damages was paid for. No cheque arrived so next time they wanted on it was an emphatic "NO!". Well the heavy team and half a dozen vehicles were lined up at my gate waiting for someone to find the area manager with the cheque book! I did let them on but the guys with the picks and shovels thought it was great. They were actually cheering me!

So you can invoke animal health and refuse entry. They will get on eventually but it causes them no end of hassle. :ROFLMAO:
I would rather just get through it and one less thing to worry about to be honest . I know all our troughs are fine but it’s the pipes laying on ground I’m worried about . Will see how it goes . I might be following your advice soon enough 😂
 

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
Similar scenario at our washplant, they don’t like it.

Alkathene for underground/undercover only in their eyes as it degrades in direct sunlight. Were happy with it if lagged.
Have a short length of blue 200metre tied to a fence across a field to another field only turned on spring to October been there 25years never been a problem
 

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