Scrapping farm assurance

[SilliamWhale]

They also have their own in house quality and assurance scheme to make sure the customers car is made to a standard

Whats it called?

 

[topground]

Care homes, anyone fabricating sheds, NHS,take aways, cafes, restaurants etc are all inspected.
Even you cars are inspected annually to make sure they are safe , by a garage that is audited and inspected.

The list is endless of those that are assured or inspected.

Ask your MP why they allow imported foods that may not be produced to our legal standards.
I personally think RT isn't doing the industry any favours especially when animals can magically become assured after 90 days on a farm.

There is a world of difference between an inspection by a local government or government agency inspector (EHO, Trading Standards, APHA) and Red Tractor auditor. The most important difference is that any decision by an inspector is subject to appeal processes through the courts and therefore they have to have evidence to support any decision that impacts on your business. A Red Tractor auditor on the other hand can make decisions that seriously impact your business and you can do nothing about it other than toe the line. That’s why a Red Tractor inspector will never set foot on my place. Red Tractor is a protection racket pure and simple with the added advantage to the supermarket cartel that controls RT that it can be used as a tool to manipulate the market for the benefit of the cartel business model.
No redress, no appeal and they can make up the rules as they go along. Their position is indefensible and I continue to be surprised that farmers running multi million pound businesses continue to defend RT.

 

[Sid]

Care Homes have a Care Quality Comission (a regulator)
Building Regulations are again subject to regulation and British Standards
I think food business are also subject to regulation (food safety, hygiene) - in fact farms are covered by some of this regulation too without us complaining.

I don't think I need to point out to you what you are missing...

My point was we are not the only industry to have audits and compliance.

The level of detail agriculture needs is the issue.

It was highlighted the other day about food factories, issue with product safety and it was an issue across a wide range of brands who would all audit that company individually.
I want a single audit that covers organic and legality of eartags etc

What the serial number of my livestock box is is irrelevant!

 

[Drillman]

I think the visit may be an interesting one myself.

I also be also interested in the inspection agency’s response wen I tell them the beef side won’t be renewed.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Care homes, anyone fabricating sheds, NHS,take aways, cafes, restaurants etc are all inspected.
Even you cars are inspected annually to make sure they are safe , by a garage that is audited and inspected.

The list is endless of those that are assured or inspected.

Ask your MP why they allow imported foods that may not be produced to our legal standards.
I personally think RT isn't doing the industry any favours especially when animals can magically become assured after 90 days on a farm.

Farms can be inspected by HSE, Trading standards and EA at anytime and compliance is compulsory.
Our produce is checked on delivery to our buyers who would reject it if there was any problem regardless of assurance.
RT does not guarantee a minimum standard or provide a premium for a higher standard.
It has become a tool to control and coerce farmers by other vested interests.
It does not perform in the interests of farmers or the general public.

 

[Sid]

Whats it called?

Each have their own individual ones. Tractor has the same.

Checklist with who was involved in the assembly process and serial numbers of larger components. Audit trail.....bit like batch numbers on drugs

 

[MrNoo]

Care homes, anyone fabricating sheds, NHS,take aways, cafes, restaurants etc are all inspected.
Even you cars are inspected annually to make sure they are safe , by a garage that is audited and inspected.

The list is endless of those that are assured or inspected.

Ask your MP why they allow imported foods that may not be produced to our legal standards.
I personally think RT isn't doing the industry any favours especially when animals can magically become assured after 90 days on a farm.

Indeed, a long list. All just jobs for the boys, Auz, Canada and other countries that actually get stuff done don’t sink their industries in unnecessary bureaucracy like the idiots here.
I am utterly amazed that we as an industry managed to exist before the arse NFU introduced/forced Red Tractor upon us, how did we manage?????
We even got market price for our produce instead of market price -£20/t due to your idiotic NFU quango gravy train.
I utterly detest the NFU

 

[Sid]

Farms can be inspected by HSE, Trading standards and EA at anytime and compliance is compulsory.
Our produce is checked on delivery to our buyers who would reject it if there was any problem regardless of assurance.
RT does not guarantee a minimum standard or provide a premium for a higher standard.
It has become a tool to control and coerce farmers by other vested interests.
It does not perform in the interests of farmers or the general public.

Audits and assurance checks doesn't stop issues in care homes, schools, nurseries or even the police forces.

One reason we went organic was to join an assurance scheme with at least a premium! (Well it used to, and will again)

 

[Drillman]

Audits and assurance checks doesn't stop issues in care homes, schools, nurseries or even the police forces.

Which explains the pointlessness of the tractor

end of the day if they paid us a premium that more than covered costs we would be all for it. And would take it seriously as an asset to our business.

they don’t so we dont

simples.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Audits and assurance checks doesn't stop issues in care homes, schools, nurseries or even the police forces.

One reason we went organic was to join an assurance scheme with at least a premium! (Well it used to, and will again)

Absolutely.
It is down to the customer to assess and make their own judgement.
Only an idiot would rely entirely on a piece of paper declaring something to be fine.

 

[ollie989898]

Care homes, anyone fabricating sheds, NHS,take aways, cafes, restaurants etc are all inspected.
Even you cars are inspected annually to make sure they are safe , by a garage that is audited and inspected.

The list is endless of those that are assured or inspected.

Ask your MP why they allow imported foods that may not be produced to our legal standards.
I personally think RT isn't doing the industry any favours especially when animals can magically become assured after 90 days on a farm.

Whoa whoa whoa. I think you will find that the above are regulated by law. Actual laws that are checked by various government agencies. These do not cost anyone any money, but break the law and you can (and people have) receive a prison sentence or serious fines.

So yes, hospitals, cafes and the like are randomly checked or after an issue arises. But you don't pay for the inspectors. In fact, years ago, my father contacted environmental health for their assistance and they responded very rapidly and at no cost. These organisations are there to help businesses as well as protect the public.

Funnily enough, these same organisations, HSE, trading standards and environmental health, are the exact same ones that regulate farms as well.

What the above industries do not then do is go and voluntarily force extra needless regulations on top of these statutory regulations and pay extra to boot.

 

[SilliamWhale]

My point was we are not the only industry to have audits and compliance.

The level of detail agriculture needs is the issue.

It was highlighted the other day about food factories, issue with product safety and it was an issue across a wide range of brands who would all audit that company individually.
I want a single audit that covers organic and legality of eartags etc

What the serial number of my livestock box is is irrelevant!

We need to comply with the regulation. That is accepted.

Food Safety is covered by legislation

 

[ollie989898]

We need to comply with the regulation. That is accepted.

Food Safety is covered by legislation

Exactly, any farm, cafe, restaurant or other business, who dares to fudge with the laws enforced by trading standards, FSA, environmental health or HSE will find themselves being fine or imprisoned. It's statutory and backed by law, not some made up organisation which means jack to the consumer.

 

[Sid]

We need to comply with the regulation. That is accepted.

Food Safety is covered by legislation

And rightly so too

Whoa whoa whoa. I think you will find that the above are regulated by law. Actual laws that are checked by various government agencies. These do not cost anyone any money, but break the law and you can (and people have) receive a prison sentence or serious fines.

So yes, hospitals, cafes and the like are randomly checked or after an issue arises. But you don't pay for the inspectors. In fact, years ago, my father contacted environmental health for their assistance and they responded very rapidly and at no cost. These organisations are there to help businesses as well as protect the public.

Funnily enough, these same organisations, HSE, trading standards and environmental health, are the exact same ones that regulate farms as well.

What the above industries do not then do is go and voluntarily force extra needless regulations on top of these statutory regulations and pay extra to boot.

Plenty of firms pay extra to be inspected on HSE etc.
All major building sites would have a dedicated safety officer.

 

[ollie989898]

And rightly so too



Plenty of firms pay extra to be inspected on HSE etc.
All major building sites would have a dedicated safety officer.

You're not getting this- they might be doing these things but they are doing so voluntarily, it's not enforced on every builder to spend the extra.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Are there any industries that don't have an assurance or certification scheme.

Care homes, anyone fabricating sheds, NHS,take aways, cafes, restaurants etc are all inspected.
Even you cars are inspected annually to make sure they are safe , by a garage that is audited and inspected.

The list is endless of those that are assured or inspected.

Ask your MP why they allow imported foods that may not be produced to our legal standards.
I personally think RT isn't doing the industry any favours especially when animals can magically become assured after 90 days on a farm.

Farmers Unions aren't audited.

Imagine if they were. Couldn't see the NFU passing such an audit when they...

1. Shackle their members to Red Tractor
2. Know full well imports aren't assured, yet access our same markets
3. Therefore seemingly try to put their own members, and every other farmer who isn't a member, at a competitive disadvantage

It's really quite unbelievable. Do you support this situation?

 

[Sid]

You're not getting this- they might be doing these things but they are doing so voluntarily, it's not enforced on every builder to spend the extra.

Neither is it on every farm, bar dairy and few others
Plenty is sold as non assured.

It's really quite unbelievable. Do you support this situation?

No.
Now that wasn't what you were expecting was it?

 

[ollie989898]

Neither is it on every farm, bar dairy and few others
Plenty is sold as non assured.



No.
Now that wasn't what you were expecting was it?

I can't believe you are even trying to argue this one. RT is forced on farms as they can't sell their milk or OSR without it. It's cartel-like behaviour and I believe will be ruled illegal in time.

 

[Sid]

I can't believe you are even trying to argue this one. RT is forced on farms as they can't sell their milk or OSR without it. It's cartel-like behaviour and I believe will be ruled illegal in time.

Argue what? Me thinks your confused

 

[7610 super q]

And rightly so too



Plenty of firms pay extra to be inspected on HSE etc.
All major building sites would have a dedicated safety officer.

And they can pass on this extra cost to the customer.........