Scrapping farm assurance

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
Realistically, what premium on beef would you need to see to make it worth your time? Because these schemes were supposed to be extras to gain access to premium homes.

For example, I produce 600t of grain. My RT stickers cost 250, plus maybe five hours of my time doing stuff I'd not ordinarily do. So let's say £1000 - because I'm loosing fees as north Lincolnshires premium gigolo. So to make me a proper return, like fert and spray does, I'd want £3.50 a ton premium.

I'd like also the option to sell unassured on the basis I declare I've followed all existing UK food rules that apply.

What would a similar view be for other farming sectors?
I wouldn't accept a bribe of £3.50 a ton for a clipboarder to come on the premises.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
In that case why not fail spectacularly and ask the inspector why he thinks it matters since it adds no value to the business?
I’m still a little undecided how to proceed with the ’visit’ Beef won’t be renewed but we are fully paid up for a little longer so it don’t matter if they pull me up on anything so do I tell the inspector before hand or not?
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Care homes, anyone fabricating sheds, NHS,take aways, cafes, restaurants etc are all inspected.
Even you cars are inspected annually to make sure they are safe , by a garage that is audited and inspected.

The list is endless of those that are assured or inspected.

Ask your MP why they allow imported foods that may not be produced to our legal standards.
I personally think RT isn't doing the industry any favours especially when animals can magically become assured after 90 days on a farm.
exactly a whole industry of unneeded and uwanted legislation, look at the cost to the whole of british industry , time 80% of that was binned other than genuine safety concerns , no one is checking the containers of china crap at the ports all made with no inspection, £ shops are full of that tat made with child labour and environmental issues
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
exactly a whole industry of unneeded and uwanted legislation, look at the cost to the whole of british industry , time 80% of that was binned other than genuine safety concerns , no one is checking the containers of china crap at the ports all made with no inspection, £ shops are full of that tat made with child labour and environmental issues
I don't disagree on the child labour or environmental issues

They are checking all the toys . They have to CE marked to be allowed to be sold in the UK.

So what your saying is you want to ban these toy imports (for example), make Britain great again and produce it at home under a set of rules.
A place where the number of unemployed (able) is less than the jobs avaliable.

Can see it now a UK made, with imported oil, toy red tractor, made under a set of rules called.....red tractor standards.
🤣🤣
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
I don't disagree on the child labour or environmental issues

They are checking all the toys . They have to CE marked to be allowed to be sold in the UK.

So what your saying is you want to ban these toy imports (for example), make Britain great again and produce it at home under a set of rules.
A place where the number of unemployed (able) is less than the jobs avaliable.

Can see it now a UK made, with imported oil, toy red tractor, made under a set of rules called.....red tractor standards.
🤣🤣
no thats the point i dont want them banned , just conform to a minimum quality covered by uk law .enforced by uk law

uk makers cant compete mainly because they have a bunch of leaches like red tractor legislating over and above uk law interpreting EU advisories wrongly as required by law (when we were members) , making them uncompetative
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Realistically, what premium on beef would you need to see to make it worth your time? Because these schemes were supposed to be extras to gain access to premium homes.

For example, I produce 600t of grain. My RT stickers cost 250, plus maybe five hours of my time doing stuff I'd not ordinarily do. So let's say £1000 - because I'm loosing fees as north Lincolnshires premium gigolo. So to make me a proper return, like fert and spray does, I'd want £3.50 a ton premium.

I'd like also the option to sell unassured on the basis I declare I've followed all existing UK food rules that apply.

What would a similar view be for other farming sectors?
£3.50 a ton is often less that the range on offer between different my buyers on an given hour.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
I don't disagree on the child labour or environmental issues

They are checking all the toys . They have to CE marked to be allowed to be sold in the UK.

So what your saying is you want to ban these toy imports (for example), make Britain great again and produce it at home under a set of rules.
A place where the number of unemployed (able) is less than the jobs avaliable.

Can see it now a UK made, with imported oil, toy red tractor, made under a set of rules called.....red tractor standards.
🤣🤣
CE is a self certification scheme....... at least it is in products perceived to be of lower risk.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
So it's all based on luck now .....OK

Driven no doubt by the retailers pressure for "cheap" Beef.

Maybe it was more difficult to use horse meat in UK processing facilities due to the audit trial being more strict on the back of RT? I don't know.

Don't eat processed meals so have no idea what so ever.
Check out this thread.

Thread 'Red Tractor non conformance' https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/red-tractor-non-conformance.370410/

Everyone is saying they make up the records.
It’s not a question of time here or money. It’s a matter of principle that I will not be a victim of any protection racket be that one run by Pikeys, The local branch of the Cosa Nostra or in the case of Red Tractor, run by the supermarket cartel for their benefit to aid their manipulation of the market to suit their business model.
To answer the question, no amount of premium would encourage me to join Red Tractor.
Any premium would be short term or eroded as the schem is used by the cartel to introduce vertical integration of the sheep and beef sector.
The cartel controlling Red Tractor have only to introduce Whole Life Assurance and then ban any movement through a livestock market to ensure compliance. Doing away with livestock markets would achieve their business objective which is to control the supply chain through vertical integration and not have to compete for their supplies.
Anyone who doubts this could be the case should look at the pig and poultry sectors to see how they are controlled by the cartel.
Counter arguments in support of the cartel welcomed!
I've a feeling RT store pigs can't be traded through a livestock market. Or maybe I'm wrong, can't be bothered to look it up.

I think you're right, the processors and retailers at RT like to tighten the control they have on the marketplace.
 

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
no thats the point i dont want them banned , just conform to a minimum quality covered by uk law .enforced by uk law

uk makers cant compete mainly because they have a bunch of leaches like red tractor legislating over and above uk law interpreting EU advisories wrongly as required by law (when we were members) , making them uncompetative
Seeing China has nukes pointed at us then best to avoid the tat if you can.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Just had my inspection this morning, only three things to rectify
They been here as well, 2. new Boxes I need to tick apparently for cereals

and a 3rd which is beef related I’m not going to do as will be cancelling my membership of the beef part.

there loss not mine as financial I will be the one better off, they will be worse off.

red tractor have had ample opportunity to engage directly with me via FB on the lack of beef premium scenario but instead chose to block me from commenting. Disgusting way to treat someone who is a fully paid up member and effectively contributes towards there salary….
 
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They been here as well, 2. new Boxes I need to tick apparently for cereals

and a 3rd which is beef related I’m not going to do as will be cancelling my membership of the beef part.

there loss not mine as financial I will be the one better off, they will be worse off.

red tractor have had ample opportunity to engage directly with me via FB on the lack of beef premium scenario but instead chose to block me from commenting. Disgusting way to treat someone who is a fully paid up member and effectively contributes towards there salary….
Not sure what the point of the mass balance thing is, other than to waste paper
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
They been here as well, 2. new Boxes I need to tick apparently for cereals

and a 3rd which is beef related I’m not going to do as will be cancelling my membership of the beef part.

there loss not mine as financial I will be the one better off, they will be worse off.

red tractor have had ample opportunity to engage directly with me via FB on the lack of beef premium scenario but instead chose to block me from commenting. Disgusting way to treat someone who is a fully paid up member and effectively contributes towards there salary….
Write them an email and tell them why you're leaving beef. No effort on their part to negotiate a premium. Borda Bia have negotiated a premium for Irish cattle/sheep in their assurance scheme. Extra itemised payment on ticket from slaughter house.

Then ask them if any progress with the below...

Then ask them what they're going to do to get you a price premium for grain, and convince you to stay grain assured.
 

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