Secondhand Toyota Landcruiser buying.

dave mountain

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Livestock Farmer
You mean like my 22 year old 110, run until scrap and ditto my 1998 Cruiser Amazon.
Fact is though, while the LC is perfectly versatile and was used for work, I never found a Range Rover to be any less versatile or capable of work. I bought one new and ran it to 98,000 miles and I regret having sold it. It was a classic diesel with the rather noisy 2.4 VM engine that couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding under 2000 revs. Yet it towed 3.5 tons like a champ and fetched the cows as well as any other vehicle.

There's another mindset, the inverse of vehicle snobbery seen in some posts here, where a friend who has businesses apart from his very well run farm, has two Range Rover Sports. An old one that is now used as a general runabout and the one he's always seen it, which must be nearer 15 years old than 10. Then there's the other one that he is never seen in locally and kept hidden in his garage to be used for long journeys and fun, a supercharged V8 petrol SVA. He literally doesn't want to be seen by anyone he knows in that one unless he knows that they are not the jealous type.
Versatile and capable maybe, though I would question that on any recent LR vehicles as it's seemingly impossible to fit a decent wheel and mud tyre combo with good sidewall height. Quality, reliability and longevity there is no debate.
Inverse snobbery is definitely a thing, Ive heard very wealthy individuals bragging about how their old Mondeo cost them 300 quid and has never broke or that their new Kia uses next to no fuel.
 

hally

Member
Location
cumbria
This is the 'small' Land Cruiser 150. The 'real' Land Cruiser can tow 3.5 tons and has either a straight six or V eight engine, designated the 80, 100, or 200 depending on age, or the Amazon in UK. Not the little 2.4 or 2.8 four cylinder unit which used to be called the Colorado in the UK but Prado in many areas. All of them are full time four wheel drive in the UK but may be part time in other territories.

I've no idea why the Prado is only rated to tow 3.0 tons, or 2.8 in some versions. They are certainly capable and do tow 3.5 tons for some people. Unlike many people with probably less experience, I don't rate the Land Cruiser 100 [Amazon] as being the best tow vehicle. It is nowhere near as stable and planted or comfortable with a box as a Range Rover or even, I'm afraid to say it, the Ford Ranger T6. In fact I would go as far as to say that when towing no more than 3 tons, I rated our Isuzu Trooper 3.1 long wheelbase as far more relaxing a drive. Not as powerful, but adequately so and a far better engine performance than the VM engine'd Range Rover I mentioned previously. The Trooper did like a drink though, possibly because its engine was indirect injection like the very early Colorado.

Remember that the old Defender also has coil springs. Must say that these did compromise the load carrying capacity of the 110 even after I uprated the rear springs. It still drove like a poorly designed boat and squatted massively with a ton in the deck. One had to drive very carefully indeed when loaded. In contrast the Ranger shrugs off a ton load and drives perfectly well. In a different league in fact. That's where leaf springs come into their own and why all serious pickups apart from the discontinued Defender and most current Navara models have leaf springs at the back.
So hilux vs land cruiser which in your opinion will tow a fully loaded sheep trailer the best?
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
So hilux vs land cruiser which in your opinion will tow a fully loaded sheep trailer the best?
They will both tow it like a champion. Personally I don't like the Hi-Lux but do like the Land Cruiser, so am rather biassed. The 2.4 Toyota engine is not great and the 2.8 in the LC [150] is better and now available in the Hi-Lux. Nevertheless the Hi-Lux is one of the poorer riding one ton pickups and the seating position has never been to my liking and I hate the acres of black plastic in the current HiLux cab which shows up every spec of dust and dried dirt.
So I'd vote for the Cruiser for towing a fully loaded trailer of sheep. They don't move around like cattle so a softer rear end is fine. If it were cattle and nothing else but towing stability was to be counted, then I'd take the Hi-Lux.
2.5 tons of cattle dancing around in a 14ft trailer sorts the men trucks from the boy trucks. Yes, I would choose to tow with my 2.2 auto Ranger in preference to my 4.2 Land Cruiser Amazon and I've towed hundreds of cattle with both over many years. I wouldn't refuse to drive either mind you.
 

Hilly

Member
Versatile and capable maybe, though I would question that on any recent LR vehicles as it's seemingly impossible to fit a decent wheel and mud tyre combo with good sidewall height. Quality, reliability and longevity there is no debate.
Inverse snobbery is definitely a thing, Ive heard very wealthy individuals bragging about how their old Mondeo cost them 300 quid and has never broke or that their new Kia uses next to no fuel.
kia now theirs a good car ! Kia stinger beast the Aussy police are using them .
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Should probably have said, the hilux is 2015 and 230hp remapped, the cruiser is 1995 and standard 24 valve. Cruiser still much better for towing.
Are you only focussed on engine sound? I know that some chipped D4D four cylinder engines have no power under 2500 rpm, at which point it is like flicking a switch. Most unpleasant, even hateful things to drive, especially with a manual box.
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
Are you only focussed on engine sound? I know that some chipped D4D four cylinder engines have no power under 2500 rpm, at which point it is like flicking a switch. Most unpleasant, even hateful things to drive, especially with a manual box.
No the hilux is definitely much more powerful than the cruiser, and a better drive when empty, doesn't handle or stop a trailer anything like as well though
 

Hilly

Member
No the hilux is definitely much more powerful than the cruiser, and a better drive when empty, doesn't handle or stop a trailer anything like as well though
I have a defender and a hilux the defender is better towing , pickups are pretty poor at towing all of them , tow bars and chassis made from paper to start with .
 
Are you only focussed on engine sound? I know that some chipped D4D four cylinder engines have no power under 2500 rpm, at which point it is like flicking a switch. Most unpleasant, even hateful things to drive, especially with a manual box.
There's remaps and there's remaps though as you are likely well aware.
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
I have a defender and a hilux the defender is better towing , pickups are pretty poor at towing all of them , tow bars and chassis made from paper to start with .
I have both too and unfortunately the defender is now for sale as I
have bought another Hilux and dont need 3 vehicles .

The defender is by far the superior vehicle and only for sale
as Its criminal to use such an appreciating classic so anyone
want a one owner 13 plate 2.2 pickup with boost alloys ,must be a snip
at £19k plus vat.
 

AGCO reports sales increase of 43.5% compared to 2020 figures

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Written by Agriland Team from Agriland

The tractor manufacturer AGCO, which consists of brands such as Challenger, Fendt, GSI, Massey Ferguson and Valtra, reported its results for the second quarter ending June 30, 2021.

Net sales for the second quarter were approximately $2.9 billion, an increase of approximately 43.5% compared to the second quarter of 2020.

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Reported net income was $3.73/share for the second quarter of 2021, and adjusted...
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