Seed Dressings!

silverfox

Member
Location
Shropshire
Looking at the price of seed at £400 to £450 depending on variety, single purpose dressed.Is it then worth the extra cost of Latitude at £190 or Jockey at £140/ton.
This would give a cost approaching £45-£50/acre just for seed at a traditional 1.5 cwt/acre.
Would a second cereal[wheat] following spring barley that had to go in after potatoes really need a take all treatment. And what about 2nd wheat after maize if drilled mid october?
I just feel costs all round are getting ridiculous with a falling wheat price as well.
Any thoughts?
 
Looking at the price of seed at £400 to £450 depending on variety, single purpose dressed.Is it then worth the extra cost of Latitude at £190 or Jockey at £140/ton.
This would give a cost approaching £45-£50/acre just for seed at a traditional 1.5 cwt/acre.
Would a second cereal[wheat] following spring barley that had to go in after potatoes really need a take all treatment. And what about 2nd wheat after maize if drilled mid october?
I just feel costs all round are getting ridiculous with a falling wheat price as well.
Any thoughts?

Just buy a couple of tonne of new seed at the extortionate price, then grow that on. If market price at the time of seed dressing is say £150/t then your seed costs is £150/t / 1000kg = £0.15/kg.

£0.15p/kg x a robust seed rate of 220kg/ha = £33/ha before cleaning and putting latitude on at £150/t.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I'm home saving all my seed this year, hope to be cleaning and dressing myself as well

Only reason I will be buying in the future will be if I want to grow a new variety
 

Andrew K

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
Might have to drill some leftover seed from 2012, if it passes a germ/vigour test that is?

Whats an acceptable score for mid Sept planting?
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
Might have to drill some leftover seed from 2012, if it passes a germ/vigour test that is?

Whats an acceptable score for mid Sept planting?
Had two lots tested one with deter/man was 75% the other with that plus latitude was 65% guess thats going in at a high seed rate and early:(
 
Location
North Notts
Planning to put all of last years left over seed in the opico and blend with new undressed seed. I have drilled left over seed before and each bag seems to be different depending where it was stored. I haven'y grown bought in seed on a big scale for 10 years now only buying newer varieties I want to try. My seed always looks to have more dressing on than bought in stuff and yeilds better.

All osr will be cleaned and grown on again (no dressing)
 

silverfox

Member
Location
Shropshire
I was quoted £191 for latitude or £190/jockey plus cleaning £30,bags and royalty£40, to re-sow my own seed.
The chap also said that latitude dressed also needed a single purpose at £60/ton.So if you include your own wheat at £150 plus latitude ect, it comes to £471/tonne.
Single purpose dressing only £130+own [email protected]£150 is £280 in total.
 

Refco

Member
Location
County Durham
I was quoted £191 for latitude or £190/jockey plus cleaning £30,bags and royalty£40, to re-sow my own seed.
The chap also said that latitude dressed also needed a single purpose at £60/ton.So if you include your own wheat at £150 plus latitude ect, it comes to £471/tonne.
Single purpose dressing only £130+own [email protected]£150 is £280 in total.

To my mind, Latitude is overpriced. If going down the second wheat road, i would say use Jockey and drill in mid to late October.
 

robbie

Member
BASIS
my winter barley will get something cheap for aphids second wheat will be drilled mid oct and first wheat after beet oct/nov will come straight of the heap at a robust seed rate. i cant remember when we last had spring barley dressed and our crops are as good as any of our neibours.we will pay all royalties so our corn at £120-£150 T plus £40 royalties.might have odd tonne or two bought in to grow on if we want a different variety. how prices are going at the monent i think we need to trim things back a bit lets learn to farm again and not rely on fancy insurance policies!!!
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
my winter barley will get something cheap for aphids second wheat will be drilled mid oct and first wheat after beet oct/nov will come straight of the heap at a robust seed rate. i cant remember when we last had spring barley dressed and our crops are as good as any of our neibours.we will pay all royalties so our corn at £120-£150 T plus £40 royalties.might have odd tonne or two bought in to grow on if we want a different variety. how prices are going at the monent i think we need to trim things back a bit lets learn to farm again and not rely on fancy insurance policies!!!

Do you get someone in to clean the seed, or just dig it straight out the shed?
 

combineguy

Member
Location
New Zealand
Interesting

I wonder if the continuation of using home saved seed as a reason why your yields are decreasing. We aim to sow a paddock of first generation seed each year which provides us with enough seed for the next year. Ideally you sow this seed paddock at a low sowing rate and also into a clean paddock.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Interesting

I wonder if the continuation of using home saved seed as a reason why your yields are decreasing. We aim to sow a paddock of first generation seed each year which provides us with enough seed for the next year. Ideally you sow this seed paddock at a low sowing rate and also into a clean paddock.


why would farm saved seed be any worse than seed bought from another farm ? what wizardry do seed suppliers perform to make it better ??

I think seed grown on your own soil logically should be better ? it has become used to local conditions maybe ?
 

robbie

Member
BASIS
depends what it looks like once its cut whats destined to be kept for seed is hit hard with the combine and that normaly does the trick weve had seed dressed in the past and apart from turning it red often its no better than off the heap.
our seed is norrmaly put onto spare trailers and left there till we need it.last 3 years spring barley has come straight of the heap and weve noticed no difference between that and c2 seed grown beside it in the same field.
 
Interesting

I wonder if the continuation of using home saved seed as a reason why your yields are decreasing. We aim to sow a paddock of first generation seed each year which provides us with enough seed for the next year. Ideally you sow this seed paddock at a low sowing rate and also into a clean paddock.

The bought in seed I had last year was very poor compared to my home saved seed because at home I can clean it as hard as I like to get the best sample. A commercial supplier would never do that because the more wasteage they have the less profit they make.
 

combineguy

Member
Location
New Zealand
Hi

We pay dressing charge based on the brought in weight and we get the screenings back which we feed to our stock.

We have been very happy with our dresser.

We apply Raxil to all our seed and Poncho for early autumn sown and also for paddocks ex grass
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Hi

We pay dressing charge based on the brought in weight and we get the screenings back which we feed to our stock.

We have been very happy with our dresser.

We apply Raxil to all our seed and Poncho for early autumn sown and also for paddocks ex grass


Does that include a royalty for the seed breeder?
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Hi

We pay dressing charge based on the brought in weight and we get the screenings back which we feed to our stock.


So if you put 10t through, and get 9t of seed back then you pay 10t x dressing charge?

Over here we pay per tonne of output seed. Can see more logic on your input charge though....the harder you want it dressed, the higher the cost.
 

Baker boy

New Member
We have been processing home saved seed for shropshire farmers for 40 years.Our clients save a lot of money and have the seed when they need it.To give you a rough estimate,cleaned and treated with Kinto into your own 500 kg bags over a Law Denis double screen cleaner and gravity separator and modern Noro Gard seed treater £75 tonne plus royalty.
 

bert

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
n.yorks
Planning to put all of last years left over seed in the opico and blend with new undressed seed. I have drilled left over seed before and each bag seems to be different depending where it was stored. I haven'y grown bought in seed on a big scale for 10 years now only buying newer varieties I want to try. My seed always looks to have more dressing on than bought in stuff and yeilds better.

All osr will be cleaned and grown on again (no dressing)
How do you clean your OSR seed? at home?
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
why would farm saved seed be any worse than seed bought from another farm ? what wizardry do seed suppliers perform to make it better ??

I think seed grown on your own soil logically should be better ? it has become used to local conditions maybe ?

Because seed producers should be sowing C1 seed... I hope so anyway
 

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