Seed treatment applicatior

[Romney_Rob]

Anyone have any clue where I can buy pump, controller and nozzles etc. Fancy having a go at treating our own seed through an auger

 

[KennyO]

@Clive made something iirc

 

[DanniAgro]

The trouble will be in getting hold of the chemicals, as they are carefully controlled, being toxic in bulk.

 

[Clive]

The trouble will be in getting hold of the chemicals, as they are carefully controlled, being toxic in bulk.

no problem and no more toxic than anything else we all use on farms

if you can’t get them give @Lucy @ Farm Marketplace a call www.marketplace.farm can get them

they chemicals are cheap when you buy them in a can vs applied to seed ! That’s the real reason some are not keen to supply them

 

[Clive]

Anyone have any clue where I can buy pump, controller and nozzles etc. Fancy having a go at treating our own seed through an auger

bought bits from our local sprayer parts and made the application head

ironocally we don’t use it much as rare we get a test that means the seed needs anything

 

[KennyO]

Can you just meter it into and auger or does it need to be sprayed on?

 

[Lincsman]

no problem and no more toxic than anything else we all use on farms

if you can’t get them give @Lucy @ Farm Marketplace a call www.marketplace.farm can get them

they chemicals are cheap when you buy them in a can vs applied to seed ! That’s the real reason some are not keen to supply them

Even cheaper if you work out what the actives are and buy it as a T* can of fungicide. (so cheap you wont believe it)

 

[grommet]

i would assume you may have to have relevant qualifications to apply seed treatment - also this stuff has to be applied accurately? i remember hearing the mobile guys talk about the treaters being very expensive exactly because of the dose rates are so critical to get the desired effect.
And lastly, if you did apply this stuff on your own - what would be the re-course if you had a problem? im sure bayer or syngenta wouldnt take to kindly their products being mis used.
Also its a bit like saying, glyphosate is mega cheap in a can - the reason its not mega cheap when its applied accurately and doing its job is that the sprayer costs the same as a small house!

 

[Clive]

i would assume you may have to have relevant qualifications to apply seed treatment - also this stuff has to be applied accurately? i remember hearing the mobile guys talk about the treaters being very expensive exactly because of the dose rates are so critical to get the desired effect.
And lastly, if you did apply this stuff on your own - what would be the re-course if you had a problem? im sure bayer or syngenta wouldnt take to kindly their products being mis used.
Also its a bit like saying, glyphosate is mega cheap in a can - the reason its not mega cheap when its applied accurately and doing its job is that the sprayer costs the same as a small house!

yes - sent my guys on the relevant course to get their ticket, not much £ and a half day - not a big deal

Frankly i trust them to apply better than the half trained eastern European seasonal workers that come with the mobile seed cleaner units !

 

[robbie]

i would assume you may have to have relevant qualifications to apply seed treatment - also this stuff has to be applied accurately? i remember hearing the mobile guys talk about the treaters being very expensive exactly because of the dose rates are so critical to get the desired effect.
And lastly, if you did apply this stuff on your own - what would be the re-course if you had a problem? im sure bayer or syngenta wouldnt take to kindly their products being mis used.
Also its a bit like saying, glyphosate is mega cheap in a can - the reason its not mega cheap when its applied accurately and doing its job is that the sprayer costs the same as a small house!

I really don't think it's as big a deal as you say yes the dose needs to be correct but it doesnt need to be any more accurate than a field application of chemical and were all capable of that.

As for the mobile dressers from my experience some of them are the biggest cowboys going, from what I've seen it is a very slap happy job and I'd expect the vast majority of farmers out there to be able to do the job on farm at least as accurately as the mobiles, after all it's in a farmers best interest to get it right as it's his own destiny. The mobile chaps will be up the road and onto the next job and not give a gig about the farmers crops.

Yet again it's just scare mongering from the trade to frighten the farmer to part with just a little bit more of his hard earned.

Redigo pro or what ever it's called is only proline and teb, it's hardly rocket science.

 

[Clive]

Can you just meter it into and auger or does it need to be sprayed on?

you can just meter into auger as they do in many countries but coverage is not as good as if you spray a curtain of grain

i will try find the thread with our head details in it

 

[Lincsman]

you can just meter into auger as they do in many countries but coverage is not as good as if you spray a curtain of grain

i will try find the thread with our head details in it

The old shell seed treaters were just an ill fitting auger (to allow grain to slip back and mix more) with a precision pump which pumped when the hopper tripped another batch, it only dribbled the chemical in then. I seem to think most were modified from powder mercury applicators.

 

[Bman]

Would you not just go on how the treatment covering looked on the seed?

 

[Lincsman]

Would you not just go on how the treatment covering looked on the seed?

Yes, looking closely you can see where it is and how even, a now defunct merchant to me was rubbish at it compared to me.

 

[grommet]

I really don't think it's as big a deal as you say yes the dose needs to be correct but it doesnt need to be any more accurate than a field application of chemical and were all capable of that.

As for the mobile dressers from my experience some of them are the biggest cowboys going, from what I've seen it is a very slap happy job and I'd expect the vast majority of farmers out there to be able to do the job on farm at least as accurately as the mobiles, after all it's in a farmers best interest to get it right as it's his own destiny. The mobile chaps will be up the road and onto the next job and not give a gig about the farmers crops.

Yet again it's just scare mongering from the trade to frighten the farmer to part with just a little bit more of his hard earned.

Redigo pro or what ever it's called is only proline and teb, it's hardly rocket science.

Can you imagine if you heard someone talk about farmers like that? a whole industry summed up in a few words.
Maybe you should quit farming and be a consultant.
its like saying " id expect the vast majority of seed cleaners out there to be able to do the job of a farmer at least as well as you could - its hardly rocket science"
If you throw dirt - you lose ground.

 

[Chae1]

I really don't think it's as big a deal as you say yes the dose needs to be correct but it doesnt need to be any more accurate than a field application of chemical and were all capable of that.

As for the mobile dressers from my experience some of them are the biggest cowboys going, from what I've seen it is a very slap happy job and I'd expect the vast majority of farmers out there to be able to do the job on farm at least as accurately as the mobiles, after all it's in a farmers best interest to get it right as it's his own destiny. The mobile chaps will be up the road and onto the next job and not give a gig about the farmers crops.

Yet again it's just scare mongering from the trade to frighten the farmer to part with just a little bit more of his hard earned.

Redigo pro or what ever it's called is only proline and teb, it's hardly rocket science.

One around here was rumoured to use beetroot juice to change colour of the seed and charged for chemical dressing!

 

[Lincsman]

One around here was rumoured to use beetroot juice to change colour of the seed and charged for chemical dressing!

Organic!

 

[Northdowns Martin]

@Clive my memory seems to recall you posted one of your "can you guest what it is" pictures!

 

[robbie]

Can you imagine if you heard someone talk about farmers like that? a whole industry summed up in a few words.
Maybe you should quit farming and be a consultant.
its like saying " id expect the vast majority of seed cleaners out there to be able to do the job of a farmer at least as well as you could - its hardly rocket science"
If you throw dirt - you lose ground.

My point was more to do with how yet again farmers are sold to by the trade, its special chemical, its special equipment blah blah blah yes it's a specialist machine but then most are in agriculture and its chemical which is the same active ingredients as a can of kestrel fungicide.

It's just another case of you cant do that but we can and wring a little more out of you in the process.

 

[Clive]

@Clive my memory seems to recall you posted one of your "can you guest what it is" pictures!

yes I think i did but I can't find the thread !