Self propelled to Trailed

[T Hectares]

The only sprayer the progressive farmer should consider now is a trailed Horsch, and really it should be pulled with a Fendt.

I have gleaned this from social media.

My Horsch is pulled by a NH, does that make me 50% progressive or a 50% failure I wonder??

 

[Daniel]

My Horsch is pulled by a NH, does that make me 50% progressive or a 50% failure I wonder??

A progressive failure?

 

[Feldspar]

Calling our resident forum expert on the subject @Feldspar

Bugger off!

 

[T Hectares]

A progressive failure?

I'm aware I will be a failure until a shiny Fendt is sat in the yard...

 

[Daniel]

I'm aware I will be a failure until a shiny Fendt is sat in the yard...

I'm sure the local dealer will do you a demo, then you can work out whether the cost of success is for you!

 

[Banana Bar]

You know you want a Horsch trailed to keep up with the rest ??
No need to come on here looking for justification just go and do it [emoji106]???

But I don’t, I still want a SP!

 

[Drillman]

But I don’t, I still want a SP!

If your the one paying for it and driving it buy what you want! You gotta live with it.

I have an old small SP on just over 200 acre. It’s a bit basic and don’t justify it but Makes life easy.

 

[An Gof]

But I don’t, I still want a SP!

Go for it then, always best to plough your own furrow ? (or zero till your own bout on here ???)

 

[TripleSix]

@l'ordinary bonville

 

[Chae1]

But I don’t, I still want a SP!

If you can't justify one over those amount of acres nobody can. Just buy what you want.

 

[T Hectares]

But I don’t, I still want a SP!

If you want one I’m sure you’ll justify one...
My situation is different to yours, I’m covering a third of your area, there’s 2 of us here and two tractors, an SP would add another power unit and be nearly double the cost of buying a trailed, in your situation you would no doubt end up buying an extra tractor to operate a trailed which would be probably only do a bit of grain cart outside of spraying, which would make the costings closer.
One aspect of Trailed ownership not often mentioned on here is that historically residuals on them are pretty pants, I will be keeping mine for a long time to try and counter this to some extent.
There’s advantages/disadvantages for both, it’s the new must have dropping a SP, doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone though !!

 

[Shutesy]

Bugger off!

?

 

[Clive]

There will never be a straight answer to this conundrum as everyone will have a different perception of what is justifiable and what they perceive works for their business. Add to that the preference of the operator and you have at least three enormous variables that will alter the responses you receive.

I had a SP, went to a trailed, and am going back to a SP.

Did i greatly dislike the trailed? No, but it didn’t work for my business. It may do for yours.

Did I find the trailed impossible to work with? No, but my personal preference as the one who pays the bills and who also drives the sprayer suggests that if I find a SP easier and less hassle then that’s a major consideration. You may have a different view.

Can I justify a SP? Yes, irregardless of the regularly aired view of @Clive I believe for my business it is justifiable enough and as such that’s the route I’ve taken. Not brand new I might add, but a 2-3 year old machine that someone else has taken the financial hit on works for me. Personally, I cannot justify new Fendt tractors, when I know that a lesser shade of green for considerably less outlay will do the same work. However, that is my opinion, for my business, and for my preference, and in the acknowledgment of this I wouldn’t presume to comment on what would work for @Clive’s business as I’m sure he has made similar inroads into working out what works for him.

My advice, for what’s its worth, is to demo a trailed before you get too far down the road. I imagine the new Horsch is an amazing machine, and if I had one there’s every chance I would be staying with a trailed. But I cannot justify the price tag, and so I haven’t got one. Others can, so they have. For that money I would not expect to have to put a machine of similar value on the front of it to tow it along.

Everyone will have a different view, and whilst I am grateful for the input members put into my thread, it showed me that ultimately you need to do what works for you.

assuming new trailed vs new self prop and a £100k difference (as would have been the case for us) i would be genuinely interested to see if you can justify the decision financially at all or not ?

or if it’s just what you want and what you can afford then fair enough ?

 

[Clive]

The only sprayer the progressive farmer should consider now is a trailed Horsch, and really it should be pulled with a Fendt.

I have gleaned this from social media.

i think you have to try one to understand the difference ! that combination is what has made a trailed a bit more like a self prop for many and therefore viable

it’s a popular combo for a reason other than social media status !

 

[Clive]

But I don’t, I still want a SP!

doesn’t a trailed plus a “free” porsche or small used yacht with the change sound a better option !

some people love farming too much !

 

[T Hectares]

assuming new trailed vs new self prop and a £100k difference (as would have been the case for us) i would be genuinely interested to see if you can justify the decision financially at all or not ?

or if it’s just what you want and what you can afford then fair enough ?

Thats the point i was trying to make, it's a good saving if you happen to have a 240hp tractor sat there that's not being fully utilised, if you have to buy/hire an additional tractor to make it work then the saving evaporates, with the Op's workload that tractor won't be available for much else other than grain carting
For me it makes sense, doesn't for everyone though

 

[Daniel]

i think you have to try one to understand the difference ! that combination is what has made a trailed a bit more like a self prop for many and therefore viable

it’s a popular combo for a reason other than social media status !

I wouldn't know, I have a 16 year old trailed JD behind a 6 year old Maxxum, (everything, it only has 4 manual boom sections on 24 metres for example) but I only have to look after 5-600ac, what it lacks in sophistication it makes up for in dirt cheapness!

I keep thinking of upgrading, and it is getting a bit troublesome, but money is very difficult to earn at the moment....

Round here it's all Agrifac Condors, I can think of 8, gradually replacing Batemans.

 

[Daniel]

Here come 2 right now!

 

[Spud]

assuming new trailed vs new self prop and a £100k difference (as would have been the case for us) i would be genuinely interested to see if you can justify the decision financially at all or not ?

or if it’s just what you want and what you can afford then fair enough ?

Blimey, a new sp must be serious coin! 724 will be iro £140k? Horsch 5000/36 I'd guess will bray a hole in another hundred grand. Is a comparable sized sp really a third of a million quid?

 

[Spud]

i think you have to try one to understand the difference ! that combination is what has made a trailed a bit more like a self prop for many and therefore viable

it’s a popular combo for a reason other than social media status !

Interesting.

What element makes the difference? Steering? Suspension? Tech?
Driver comfort has always been better in a decent tractor than a hydro sp, but they still bend in the middle, a key thing that doesn't bother me one not,but some folk seem to struggle with.
Genuinely curious, not having a pop.