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[Deerefarmer]

Not surprised. A 724 would be more equal to a 4220.

Why didn't you run bigger 8000 series?

Your right.
We did try an 8330, turning radius was one of main drawback

 

[Boysground]

We tried a 4220 really liked it but not enough hp if it was around 270hp would have been a serious proposition

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[Lincsman]

it will only work to parameters it deems safe

Any evidence they have been made "safer" to make them more reliable in recent years?

 

[jh.]

JD autopower is the first CVT I’ve driven where it’s possible to really work the engine to its maximum. The old 74 always used to rev away but not actually get anywhere. Haven’t driven a Fendt.

There is no doubt in my mind the deere autopowr gets the power down to the wheels better . I used to have a standard power 6920 and a lot of Massey vario users thought it must be chipped . I then got a 7485massey and now a 7720 DVT and the 6920 would still flatten both of them on hills. I accept this but find I want 40 to 50hp more with a vario over the autopowr.

A massey owner who has done a fair bit of work with fendts ,does tell me the fendts always go better but I wonder if that is the whole Massey "iso" power against the fendt "ece" rating , which deere also sold on back in the day , which could explain why I've always found deere horses bigger than Massey ones.

Saying all this I love the massey vario and they are usually priced right when compared to fendt or deere so getting that 40 or 50hp for the same sort of money isn't really a problem ime . The vario having separate oils is the main bonus imo.

 

[Frankzy]

So with the JD auto power, when I drive in a field with say a dung spreader or tanker and engage the pto, do I need to set the revs on the hand throttle, like NH/Case, or do I set the speed on the lever and the revs work off my foot peddle?

You set the revs on the hand throttle or in the computer screen and then you control forward speed with the lever.
You'll quickly find how irritating this control setup is when you have implements that needs managing at the same time as you want to change speeds...

 

[Gerbert]

You set the revs on the hand throttle or in the computer screen and then you control forward speed with the lever.
You'll quickly find how irritating this control setup is when you have implements that needs managing at the same time as you want to change speeds...

Amen to that. You need to use the lever in the field and the throttle on the road. They are both simple potentiometers, how hard can it be to change that around?

 

[Farma Parma]

Only happens in winter, it’s obviously a thing set by Fendt software. I can put the oil temp on the screen and the moment it reaches 10 degrees I can change range. The solution is to buy a 1050 and have no range change

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7499 from cold start sat in shed n not moved in 2wks & you can change up down no issues

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

My new fastrac is pretty crap with an empty trailer or a couple of tons of weight on but surprisingly it doesn't seem too bad loaded.

Had our 7530 with an empty trailer all over the back of me up a hill going to the quarry but coming back loaded they were fairly equal.

I brought this up with someone from the manufacturer and he's hopeful it'll get better in time but I don't think it's the engine as it was revving away fine but the gearbox is the thing holding it back

My fastrac is at 3400 hours pulls like a train and hangs on.
Sisu takes 1000 hours to come in to it's own !!!

 

[Boysground]

7499 from cold start sat in shed n not moved in 2wks & you can change up down no issues

Tried the put it in neutral trick that somebody suggested on here. Worked perfectly . I’m only on the 4th Fendt as “my” tractor and have another one, shows you keep learning Not going to be able to buy my 1050 now

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[Stewie]

My fastrac is at 3400 hours pulls like a train and hangs on.
Sisu takes 1000 hours to come in to it's own !!!

I did a few weeks switching between a 4220 with about 2000h and a JD6215r autopower and they were absolutely on par with the same 4000 gallons tanker going up hill. The Fastrac was better in any other condition.

 

[seedman stains]

Can someone give me a couple of pointers on driving a vario I was thrown on a massey 7760 this wek to lead some slurry 24000l jeantil tri axle.I had a 20 minute drive as passenger with the lad who usually drives it he had it in pedal mode foot flat to the floor and hard on the brakes to stop.I couldn't sem to get a grip with this and used the lever mode semed much better for me but when using this do you use both the lever and brakes to slow down( a bit of a feel thing)sometimes it would sort of over rev is that to much lever and a couple of times I saw a red brake warning light come on on the right side of the dash whats the significance of this?Go easy on me !!

 

[Chae1]

I did a few weeks switching between a 4220 with about 2000h and a JD6215r autopower and they were absolutely on par with the same 4000 gallons tanker going up hill. The Fastrac was better in any other condition.

Sounds like something wrong with fendtbros.

 

[Frankzy]

Can someone give me a couple of pointers on driving a vario I was thrown on a massey 7760 this wek to lead some slurry 24000l jeantil tri axle.I had a 20 minute drive as passenger with the lad who usually drives it he had it in pedal mode foot flat to the floor and hard on the brakes to stop.I couldn't sem to get a grip with this and used the lever mode semed much better for me but when using this do you use both the lever and brakes to slow down( a bit of a feel thing)sometimes it would sort of over rev is that to much lever and a couple of times I saw a red brake warning light come on on the right side of the dash whats the significance of this?Go easy on me !!

I hope you meant to write 8660 'cause I would not want to try and lead a 24m3 tanker with a 7700 series

I used to drive an 8690 with a tanker and I always used pedal mode, sure DTM revs a bit too much for my liking when accelerating but that's just me being a bit peculiar.

Yes the brake warning means you are pulling back on the stick too fast and are starting to over-rev the engine, MFs don't have any protections in the software to stop you from manually downshift too much, only the warning light .
A 24m3 tanker is heavy enough that you will have f**k all for engine braking so you better get acquainted with the brake pedal

 

[seedman stains]

Yes 77 series, new sales man to the area says its too small for the tanker,( old salesman was a tool but got the deal) doesnt feel unstable or anything just a bit slow down to 11 k in places fully loaded(its on air brakes)

 

[Deerefarmer]

I hope you meant to write 8660 'cause I would not want to try and lead a 24m3 tanker with a 7700 series

We pull that many gallons with 828s... granted it's not the fastest on hills.

 

[Frankzy]

Yes 77 series, new sales man to the area says its too small for the tanker,( old salesman was a tool but got the deal) doesnt feel unstable or anything just a bit slow down to 11 k in places fully loaded(its on air brakes)

24 m3 with a 77 series yikes!
You must be in a really flat area, the 8690 I used to drive was pulling a 21 m3 tanker and I can count on my fingers the number of days where I wasn't wishing we had another 2 tons on the tractor!

We pull that many gallons with 828s... granted it's not the fastest on hills.

With flat fields you can pull with basically anything, it's a common thing in flat parts of Germany, Denmark etc etc to pull a 25 m3 tanker with a >200 hp tractor, it's not like it takes a lot of PTO power..

 

[ollie989898]

You set the revs on the hand throttle or in the computer screen and then you control forward speed with the lever.
You'll quickly find how irritating this control setup is when you have implements that needs managing at the same time as you want to change speeds...

Can you explain? I'm a bit confused by your post. I've not driven a vario John Deere in years mind. More familiar with the NH system.

 

[Deerefarmer]

With flat fields you can pull with basically anything, it's a common thing in flat parts of Germany, Denmark etc etc to pull a 25 m3 tanker with a >200 hp tractor, it's not like it takes a lot of PTO power.

Err,not exactly flat out here, but I get what you're saying.

Used to have several 8670 MFs in the fleet, they would play with the tanks in most conditions

 

[Frankzy]

Can you explain? I'm a bit confused by your post. I've not driven a vario John Deere in years mind. More familiar with the NH system.

If you've driven a Case the John Deere system is basically the same except that the pedal is just a simple throttle. Oh and for some gods forsaken reason the tractor won't be stood still even when the lever is all the way back...

Err,not exactly flat out here, but I get what you're saying.

Used to have several 8670 MFs in the fleet, they would play with the tanks in most conditions

A thing to keep in mind is that the 828 is 1,7 tons heavier than a 7726, and if an 8600 series is 'playing' with a 24m3 tanker you have flat fields in my mind..

 

[KB6930]

For what it's worth IMO after putting 300 hrs on another vario tractor the JD autopower is very hard to beat .

I know some of it's familiarity because of the amount of hours I've driven JD's but the only thing that's better about others is the fact they come to a complete standstill without using brakes or neutral.

I jumped onto my 7930 this morning to go drilling and surprised myself by being all thr place till I remembered I was back in an autopower . There's nothing wrong with others but the JD system has them beat for getting power to the ground you can make the JD work and it'll still be pulling well where others just slow down especially on PTO and on draught work you can restrict the engine revs back on these but still get auto forward speed so you get less wheel slip .