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[Wreckit Ralf]

I strongly disagree with that statement, I've driven all the main brand CVTs and the JD setup is easily the hardest one to get used to.
It's mainly due to the facts that there is no pedal mode, when going at high speed you can't just bring the stick all the way back down to engine brake but rather you have to slowly retard it, and for some gods forsaken reason the damn thing won't even stop when the drive stick is at the bottom so every time you want it to stop you have to get at the shuttle!
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So it is essentially like driving a power shift? The lever on the armrest controls the speed and your foot pedal just controls the revs, if that makes sense? So pulling a silage trailer ( for example ) I’d set my target speed on the arm rest lever then use my foot to determine how many revs it needs? Compared with a new Holland where you drive it with your foot pedal and the tractor will decide what revs it needs?

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Love our CVX box. Took some getting used to without a doubt but I tell you what, once you've done a huge variety of jobs with it you will never want anything else. You can drive the whole thing in the palm of your hand and you soon learn lots of 'tricks' and 'quriks'.

As it's been said it'll slow down sooner on a hill, but it'll just keep plodding away no trouble at all. I've eventually caught up (and got stuck behind) powershift tractors with 50hp more. Entirely up to you whether you believe me or not!

 

[Ducati899]

We’ve justhad our first autopower and I’m sure I can feel it pulse through a few gears when you start from standstill. Is that normal?

Have you got it in manual instead of full auto?

 

[KB6930]

So it is essentially like driving a power shift? The lever on the armrest controls the speed and your foot pedal just controls the revs, if that makes sense? So pulling a silage trailer ( for example ) I’d set my target speed on the arm rest lever then use my foot to determine how many revs it needs? Compared with a new Holland where you drive it with your foot pedal and the tractor will decide what revs it needs?

No you would just use your foot to determine speed and the tractor would use whatever revs it needs to get there . Or use the lever in the same way and never touch the foot throttle

 

[ollie989898]

Having used autocommand I just pushed the pedal or pushed the stick according to how fast I wanted to go. The computer sorts out the engine revs. In PTO work you dial up the revs you need and use the pedal or stick as before.

The NH power command gearbox and I are not best friends mind.

 

[Frankzy]

So it is essentially like driving a power shift? The lever on the armrest controls the speed and your foot pedal just controls the revs, if that makes sense? So pulling a silage trailer ( for example ) I’d set my target speed on the arm rest lever then use my foot to determine how many revs it needs? Compared with a new Holland where you drive it with your foot pedal and the tractor will decide what revs it needs?

Yes that is how a JD with the 'classical' autopower lever works, additionally it wouldn't engine brake just because you lift the throttle so you have to start pulling back on the lever.

 

[ollie989898]

Yes that is how a JD with the 'classical' autopower lever works, additionally it wouldn't engine brake just because you lift the throttle so you have to start pulling back on the lever.

My understanding was that you should not yank back the JD autopower lever at high speeds (i.e in transport) as it was hard on it? This was totally opposite to the guys used to work with who would routinely drive their Fendts on the stick (even on the road) and barely ever touch the brakes.

 

[KB6930]

Yes that is how a JD with the 'classical' autopower lever works, additionally it wouldn't engine brake just because you lift the throttle so you have to start pulling back on the lever.

No you're wrong I've driven autopower for many 0000s of hours and you're definitely wrong. As someone said somewhere above drive an autopower like an auto car on the throttle and brakes doing road work and drive it on the stick in the field with the hand throttle flat out and it'll use what TVs it wants.

The other vario boxes you don't need to touch hand throttle until a PTO speed is required

 

[bartdereu]

My understanding was that you should not yank back the JD autopower lever at high speeds (i.e in transport) as it was hard on it? This was totally opposite to the guys used to work with who would routinely drive their Fendts on the stick (even on the road) and barely ever touch the brakes.

It's a fact that the lastest Vario updates prevent braking on the transmission if you drive it with the pedal. It used to be that if you took your foot of the pedal, the transmission would
immediatly lower its ratio. It doesn't do that anymore.

 

[Wreckit Ralf]

Yes that is how a JD with the 'classical' autopower lever works, additionally it wouldn't engine brake just because you lift the throttle so you have to start pulling back on the lever.

So there is less chance of a John Deere running away from you going down a hill compared to an Auto Command as it doesn’t sound like there’s a break in transmission when you take your foot off the throttle? Seen a few owners of Auto commands on here saying you need to hold the direction button on the stick, pull the stick back and press the brakes to slow it down on hills? Which, for me, doesn’t sound very safe.

 

[Chae1]

Mine won’t change ranges either when it’s too cold with the range button but if you put it in neutral first then you can change ranges.

New Holland are the same. Won't go above a set speed until oil above a certain temperature.

Should always let a tractor warm up before driving it anyway in my opinion. Not good driving them flat out from cold.

 

[fieldfarmer]

As far as i know all NH cvt's have a 4 speed gearbox with power shuttle and a hydraulic unit for the speed between the shift ranges.

As said in the post above yours, SWB have 2 speeds, LWB, have 4 speeds. .

 

[Frankzy]

No you're wrong I've driven autopower for many 0000s of hours and you're definitely wrong. As someone said somewhere above drive an autopower like an auto car on the throttle and brakes doing road work and drive it on the stick in the field with the hand throttle flat out and it'll use what TVs it wants.

The other vario boxes you don't need to touch hand throttle until a PTO speed is required

Granted I've only spent about 600 hours in a 7310R but it worked exactly as I described, you're not going to go anywhere without using both stick and throttle and there's no pedal mode as in any other brand.

So there is less chance of a John Deere running away from you going down a hill compared to an Auto Command as it doesn’t sound like there’s a break in transmission when you take your foot off the throttle? Seen a few owners of Auto commands on here saying you need to hold the direction button on the stick, pull the stick back and press the brakes to slow it down on hills? Which, for me, doesn’t sound very safe.

On the Case's that I have driven you just have to let off the pedal and it will start to engine brake because it figures you want to stop the tractor. Can't remember NH being any different in that regard..

My understanding was that you should not yank back the JD autopower lever at high speeds (i.e in transport) as it was hard on it? This was totally opposite to the guys used to work with who would routinely drive their Fendts on the stick (even on the road) and barely ever touch the brakes.

No you should certainly not yank it all the way back when going 50k but just ease it back slowly to maintain a gentle engine brake. The fact that you have to manually handle this is yet another incredibly asinine "feature" of the autopower....

 

[KB6930]

Granted I've only spent about 600 hours in a 7310R but it worked exactly as I described, you're not going to go anywhere without using both stick and throttle and there's no pedal mode as in any other brand.



On the Case's that I have driven you just have to let off the pedal and it will start to engine brake because it figures you want to stop the tractor. Can't remember NH being any different in that regard..



No you should certainly not yank it all the way back when going 50k but just ease it back slowly to maintain a gentle engine brake. The fact that you have to manually handle this is yet another incredibly asinine "feature" of the autopower....

That'll explain why you don't like them then . The American built 7 series's aren't anywhere as nice to drive as a 6 series autopower.

We've a 7930 and it's great in field but shocking on the road and I'm assured that the 7R are pretty much the same the brakes are either all or nothing it wants to run on down a hill etc etc . The 7r maybe isn't as bad .

The reason most people I know say they are as simple to drive is that as I've said before it's more like a geared tractor to drive and all they have to do is slide the stick about in the hole to vari they're speed

 

[Salopian_Will]

We have T7 with AutoCommand and Powercommand. Would not have anything other than Autocommand now. I find it most advantageous for heavy draught work where it sits in the optimum power range at the desired speed with no fuss. Our driver will take the less powerful AutoCommand over the PC r for any roadwork.

 

[blue power]

New Holland now have the option of auto trailer braking so when you let off the throttle it will sense a pushing force of the trailer and applying the trailer brakes. A great safety feature and helps save the tractor brakes.

 

[michael N123]

New Holland now have the option of auto trailer braking so when you let off the throttle it will sense a pushing force of the trailer and applying the trailer brakes. A great safety feature and helps save the tractor brakes.

I loved the exhaust brake in a NH I had a go in it helped a lot more than what I was expecting

 

[Deerefarmer]

Ran Case 380 on demo back in the summer,
only thing that impressed me was the exhaust brake. Very effective

 

[ollie989898]

Ran Case 380 on demo back in the summer,
only thing that impressed me was the exhaust brake. Very effective

Had it been delivered in green no doubt you would have loved it...

 

[Drillman]

Advantage- vario is better than any other transmission at any job.

Disadvantage- once you’ve driven one you will take badly to anything without it.

another thing I’ve found is I hardly have to touch any of the pedals especially especially the brakes, With the NH auto command. Even round baling once set up right you can go all day without touching pedals or pulling back on the stick