Selling carbon credits

[betweenthelines]

Would the next step be to get a contractor to do all your field work so you then have more carbon credits to sell.

As for the Contractor, well his carbon footprint isn't your problem!

 

[cattleman123]

If someone wants to pay me 500 quid a year for not keeping a suckler cow...to help save the planet...i have no problem with that...or just letting my grass grow and giving me 200 quid an acre to top it...wonderful...Ah i smell a rat i bet it is not as easy as that...anyway lets fill the tractor up with fuel and get to work

 

[Hampton]

sold via https://www.gentle-farming.com/ which uses the comodicarbon platform to quantity and ISO certificate this seasons carbon sequestration on a field by field basis which we then sell 80% of (allows room for error / never overselling etc)

Only commitment beyond this year to not deep cultivate for 5 years (no intention of doing so anyway!) next year we will sell the sequestration from that years crops. Importantly we are selling sequestration and not storage of what’s already there

not as ove complicated as many seem to want to make this at all

Could you give us a ball park £/ha and also, can you still bale straw?

 

[betweenthelines]

So if the farmer is just doing what he would have done anyway, where's the carbon benefit?

Would you pay a farmer who doesn't irrigate his crops, to continue to not irrigate because it saves water?

 

[ARW]

The farming industry must be hugely carbon negative so much so we can sell it on!
Farmers sell this to industries to give them a cheap excuse to keep polluting and a great media campaign, meanwhile farming gets the blame for global warming?
Is this a missing chapter from 1984?

 

[som farmer]

l think @delilah is right, it's a load of bollox, but it just happens to be the 'in' thing, as farmers, we need to be careful of this, otherwise some spiv, will con us. NWFeeds, are including a SOM in their soil analysis, for an extra £6. Our milk buyer pays a bonus on SOM, how reliable the measuring is, no idea. Certainly sequestration, is the rising 'thing', and as farmers, we are in a unique position to take advantage, and earn a bit.
The bollox bit, is whatever we do here, is miniscule, to the rest of the world. UK scientists have now developed a robotic machine, that destroys radio active waste, in a fraction of the time, of normal degradation. Having done that, l don't think carbon is going to be hard to sort out.
so, make some money, before they do !!!

 

[serf]

So if the farmer is just doing what he would have done anyway, where's the carbon benefit?

 

[Acornworm]

sold via https://www.gentle-farming.com/ which uses the comodicarbon platform to quantity and ISO certificate this seasons carbon sequestration on a field by field basis which we then sell 80% of (allows room for error / never overselling etc)

Only commitment beyond this year to not deep cultivate for 5 years (no intention of doing so anyway!) next year we will sell the sequestration from that years crops. Importantly we are selling sequestration and not storage of what’s already there

not as ove complicated as many seem to want to make this at all

Could be a game changer, but only if the @Gentle Farming model is retained, keeping the pink corduroy brigade well away from it. Could presumably be rolled out further to hedgerow management etc eventually dispensing with many of the so called environmental schemes.
Should be most useful on more marginal arable land enabling people to escape the production at all costs mantra, a system that benefits many bar the producer.
It doesn't really matter if you are or aren't a believer, you have what somebody else needs, cash in.

 

[Clive]

So if the farmer is just doing what he would have done anyway, where's the carbon benefit?

Would you pay a farmer who doesn't irrigate his crops, to continue to not irrigate because it saves water?

whose doing what they would anyway ? ISO certification model quantifies carbon sequestration and therefore offers a choice, if you can cut synthetic inputs, return crop residue, reduce fuel use, grow more cover crops or crops that sequester more, have more spring cropping after covers etc you will have more carbon to sell and be rewarded accordingly

it encourages the right behaviour to maximise carbon sales so provides choice in how you farm …….. without reliance on the tax payer

BUT if you are doing all the right things anyway then what is the issue in someone paying you for that ?



only farmers would see this as a bad thing ! whilst moaning that their tax payer dole payout is about to be chopped off !

 

[Clive]

Could you give us a ball park £/ha and also, can you still bale straw?

depends on how you farm, cropping, input use etc - it’s on a field by field basis but we are around the 3.4-3.6 t C /ha per year mark

 

[Clive]

If someone wants to pay me 500 quid a year for not keeping a suckler cow...to help save the planet...i have no problem with that...or just letting my grass grow and giving me 200 quid an acre to top it...wonderful...Ah i smell a rat i bet it is not as easy as that...anyway lets fill the tractor up with fuel and get to work

how about we get paid to farm in a way that encourages filling up that tractor a bit less frequently ? Or that makes filling up with new expensive bio fuels more profitable than using regular diesel ? Iso certification does this

 

[Clive]

First carbon farmer my arse - plenty doing that before Clive was born.

i think we are the first to sell ISO certified carbon in the Uk from arable production rather than trees - that was supposed to be the story, I think it was a much bigger article that gave far more detail but has been chopped down a lot in edit sadly

 

[Clive]

You have gates?

Majority of my gateways have crops right up to them.

im clearly a really sh!t farmer then aren’t I . Yes we have gates, lots of them to keep fly tippers and gypo’s off. Our machinery doesn’t fly so there is no crop where the wheels go

 

[Rob Holmes]

Bit of a no-brainer, if we can offer a service with other industries actually want and can’t provide.
Money for old rope.
Yet, profit is a dirty word in our industry, any other industry would be all over this like a bad rash!

 

[Hampton]

depends on how you farm, cropping, input use etc - it’s on a field by field basis but we are around the 3.4-3.6 t C /ha per year mark

So what £/t C do they pay?

 

[Clive]

It's not the fact that it is over complicated that draws criticism, it's the fact that it's all a load of bollox .

so much so that multinationals PLC’s are suckered in and par5 with cash

it’s not bullocks at all, most simply do not understand it properly

but carry on doubting please, I will keep selling, lets not have supply exceeding demand, it’s bad for prices !

 

[Clive]

Bit of a no-brainer, if we can offer a service with other industries actually want and can’t provide.
Money for old rope.
Yet, profit is a dirty word in our industry, any other industry would be all over this like a bad rash!

got to love Uk agriculture for doing its best to destroy itself, we are world class at it

 

[Clive]

So what £/t C do they pay?

£50/t at the moment but it’s a moving goal post and young, evolving market

 

[Rob Holmes]

@Clive how do you apply and is it quite straightforward?

 

[Clive]

I don't get it. Clive's still burning fossil fuels sowing, growing and harvesting crops. No one's asked about the carbon footprint of manufacturing new tractors / combines / machinery / chems / fert.
I'd get it if owners of deciduous woodland/ rain forest received payments, and maybe PP, but arable land ??

no one HAS to be carbon negative or neutral right now, it’s purely voluntary and for wealthy individuals or large companies with social corporate responsibility policies or marketing goals to achieve

I’m like most farm businesses). Not in that league but I have sequestration to sell and those customers willing to buy it, it’s fair to argue they are “green washing”. But it can also be argued they are supporting positive change

if or when I HAVE to be carbon neutral myself either by law or new taxation then I will do so and have far less C to sell, until that day I will continue to sell to others that can afford to do so