Sending products back ? Or discounts for next year ?

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
my Agronomist told me not to worry about paying for the small amount I had delivered and have always taken any unused product back. I guess it’ll hit the big farms that buy independently . One advantage of a decent serviced agronomist that I’ve worked with for years.

I’ve been with an independent for the last couple of years, with Chems coming directly, but via his own buying group. The chem distributor has always been quite happy to take unopened product back, although CTL products will be a different matter of course.
I wasn’t even optimistic enough to order in any pre-ems, so none of those to worry about at least....
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Wouldn't the simplest thing here for CTL, be to let those who have stock but no crop planted, sell it to those who are fortunate enough to have crop planted but no CTL im stock?


I have heard a rumour that one of the big distributors has 1.4mil worth in stock that cant be sold now and will cost to dispose
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
We always fall for it don't we? Buy up front then get shafted by not being able to drill or product licence revocations. If nobody bought or took delivery months in advance the supply trade would just have to suck it up like we are expected to suck it up. They, not us, would have to build bigger stores and tie up more cash for longer as they expect us to do, and sadly too many of us are happy to oblige, take the risk, bear the cost etc. Same old same old as with RT schemes etc. They say jump, we ask how high? I have never ordered any chemical above a fortnight before I have needed it and I have never had difficulty in obtaining what I need, except if it's been withdrawn obviously, despite all the usual scare stories.

We really do ask for it don't we? For once this year I am glad I was too lazy/indignant at the price/ CBA to order any seed or chems. One thing that worked out alright.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
who does unpaid chemical belong too in the case of a burglary? If you haven't paid for is it covered on your insurance


standard terms on most invoices says "good remain property of the seller until paid for in full" ??


If you refuse to pay for something I'm pretty sure they would soon be around to get it back that's for sure!
 

Bramble

Member
Had Avadex, CTL, and Vigor on farm since August, pay November. Not drilled anything yet so have told the agronomist I’m not paying for any of it unless it gets used.

CTL to stay on farm, BASF will take the Vigon back but are applying for an extension on its use by date. Avadex can go back but expect a 7% price increase

Anyone else heard of the the Avadex price increase??
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Another joke is returning product from farm stores. They aren't necessarily well monitored, they are outside the manufacturers quality control system yet for al, the traceability we are supposed to have, chemicals can transit via somebody else's unbonded crappy farm store to another customer. I have had part used products from the supplier a couple of times for the reason it had been in so body else's farm store and somebody had had a crafty swig out of it. As I say, it's a joke as far as product security and traceability is concerned, but that's alright because we all have the RT mark, yes sir.
 

farenheit

Member
Location
Midlands
Had Avadex, CTL, and Vigor on farm since August, pay November. Not drilled anything yet so have told the agronomist I’m not paying for any of it unless it gets used.

CTL to stay on farm, BASF will take the Vigon back but are applying for an extension on its use by date. Avadex can go back but expect a 7% price increase

Anyone else heard of the the Avadex price increase??
Why shouldn't you pay for it? It's not the agronomy companies fault you haven't drilled anything
 
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B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Why shouldn't you pay for it? It's not the agronomy companies fault you haven't drilled anything
If service agronomy then the terms (normally) are they will take any unopened cans of product back FOC. If you are paying for serviced agronomy why wouldn’t you use the service fully in this situation?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Another joke is returning product from farm stores. They aren't necessarily well monitored, they are outside the manufacturers quality control system yet for al, the traceability we are supposed to have, chemicals can transit via somebody else's unbonded crappy farm store to another customer. I have had part used products from the supplier a couple of times for the reason it had been in so body else's farm store and somebody had had a crafty swig out of it. As I say, it's a joke as far as product security and traceability is concerned, but that's alright because we all have the RT mark, yes sir.

cans are sealed - how could anyone send back a can that had been opened without collection driver knowing?


no distributor should deliver (legally I believe) unless he can put the product into "suitable storage"
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
It isn’t only farmers who are going to suffer after this autumns weather. It is going to be am tough year for the supply industry. There must be hundreds of tonnes of product sitting in distribution stores that won’t get applied. Think of all that heavy BG land that would normally get a 4-5way stack that is undrillable because of the wet. It’s a situation probably made worse by Brexit deadlines that meant suppliers likely felt forced into get stock into the UK early incase of no deal exit on the 31st October.
 

Goffer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
Had telephone calls with both suppliers , one was being totally thick until pointed out 7 k of ctl was not gonna be used till next yr and agreement was payment after use . Don’t think poor lass had been informed just told to ring up acc’s in debt . Other supplier pay April but unsure on movon position
 
The fact much product comes through distributors is immaterial. If you've beaten them down on price for years through whatever means I doubt they will be willing to add much service into the equation.

Dunno what the rigamarole is. For big accounts im sure there can be arrangements made to delay the need for payment.
 

Surgery

Member
Location
Oxford
Danger here is the smaller distributors , this season might be the straw that brakes the camels back leading to it falling into the hands of the larger boys.
 

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