Set Up Shop In The EU

[will l]

 

[yin ewe]

Ah yes, of course, lots of Irish kit. I even have a Redrock trailer here

Redrock is actually made in Northern Ireland.

 

[czechmate]

Redrock is actually made in Northern Ireland.

Sorry.
Funny, the french class “us” (English speaking) as all the same and certainly, generally, don’t get bogged down with north/south Ireland!


i wonder if it can travel in time if I get it up to 88mph?

 

[Ashtree]

It was years ago but with a few exceptions no, not anymore. There are a few stalwarts around for sure but look at the number in Ireland and then ask yourself, why/how do they do it and we don’t?

I reckon the key reason is that we didn’t have Thatcher. She used a scorched earth policy in industrial England, and built a sacred alter in the city for pinstripe suited financiers.
Ok, there was productivity issues, and union issues, but the solution applied effectively wiped out a lot of small to medium indigenous industries. The young saw the decline, and opted for university and finance type employment.
In ROI the help and support for the indigenous sector, food, engineering, etc, etc, is pretty impressive by any standards. The Irish saw the slow decline in British agriculture equipment manufacturing, and simply moved to fill the gap.

It’s really a good example of the fallacy of Brexit. The Brexit belief that the EU has been the reason for all Britain’s travails, is simply incorrect. The reason lies at the heart of domestic policies. Thatcher, I fear did a lot of short term good, but even more long term damage. Damage that’s hard to reverse.

 

[Ashtree]

Redrock is actually made in Northern Ireland.

It is, and there’s lots of fantastic agriculture equipment made in NI. The best you can get in fact.

 

[Exfarmer]

I reckon the key reason is that we didn’t have Thatcher. She used a scorched earth policy in industrial England, and built a sacred alter in the city for pinstripe suited financiers.
Ok, there was productivity issues, and union issues, but the solution applied effectively wiped out a lot of small to medium indigenous industries. The young saw the decline, and opted for university and finance type employment.
In ROI the help and support for the indigenous sector, food, engineering, etc, etc, is pretty impressive by any standards. The Irish saw the slow decline in British agriculture equipment manufacturing, and simply moved to fill the gap.

It’s really a good example of the fallacy of Brexit. The Brexit belief that the EU has been the reason for all Britain’s travails, is simply incorrect. The reason lies at the heart of domestic policies. Thatcher, I fear did a lot of short term good, but even more long term damage. Damage that’s hard to reverse.

Actually you are wrong here. although many on the left like to think it is the case. The Uk engineering industry never recovered after the war. They were propped up by successive governments to try and prevent the catastrophic closures of factories which had never received any real investment since prewar times. New factories were built at the whim of government ministers to try and win votes in constituencies rather than consumer or industry demand. Small industries which could have benefited from support were instead merged with the large dying conglomerates or sold off to foreign investors cheaply. The government was at the limits of its borrowing propping up the coal and steel industry, I could go on. Thatcher inherited a diabolical mess which the public recognised could not continue and pulled the rug, but sadly this devastated not only the large inefficient state corporations , but also those small companies which had been swept into their fold. Some of these had been very forward thinking companies such as Vosper Thorneycroft, who were making warships at a good profit for sale across the world but were sacrificed to maintain ship yards on the Clyde some years earlier.
There are many small and medium companies who care working at the edge of Tech but they nearly all find the cost of production here is too great thanks to many issues but really anything to do with Thatcher, but lots to do with environmental controls minimum wages etc.

 

[Pasty]

Th Uk is in for the long haul to see the true benefit. Mr Rees Mogg told about 50 years. Rather bemusing the majority of posters on here, according to Mr Rees Mogg, will never see the benefits. Rule Brittania. Chuckle.

So why wouldn't you vote for something if you thought it was the right thing for your grandchildren, even if there may be short term pain? I would and I did. Millions have given their life for the same reason. A few firms clearing off will in itself clear the way for new firms to enter the market. I don't need to see immediate benefits, I want the UK to be on the course I think it should be. All this sneering is just pathetic.

 

[Ashtree]

Actually you are wrong here. although many on the left like to think it is the case. The Uk engineering industry never recovered after the war. They were propped up by successive governments to try and prevent the catastrophic closures of factories which had never received any real investment since prewar times. New factories were built at the whim of government ministers to try and win votes in constituencies rather than consumer or industry demand. Small industries which could have benefited from support were instead merged with the large dying conglomerates or sold off to foreign investors cheaply. The government was at the limits of its borrowing propping up the coal and steel industry, I could go on. Thatcher inherited a diabolical mess which the public recognised could not continue and pulled the rug, but sadly this devastated not only the large inefficient state corporations , but also those small companies which had been swept into their fold. Some of these had been very forward thinking companies such as Vosper Thorneycroft, who were making warships at a good profit for sale across the world but were sacrificed to maintain ship yards on the Clyde some years earlier.
There are many small and medium companies who care working at the edge of Tech but they nearly all find the cost of production here is too great thanks to many issues but really anything to do with Thatcher, but lots to do with environmental controls minimum wages etc.

Ok, I’ll accept your greater knowledge on the history of the situation. So it wasn’t thatcher and it wasn’t the EU.
Why then and how as an example, have so many engineering companies specialising in agriculture equipment on the island of Ireland north and southbecome so successful over the past thirty year's when the mainland has declined on that sector? It’s hard to fathom to be honest.

 

[Pasty]

Ok, I’ll accept your greater knowledge on the history of the situation. So it wasn’t thatcher and it wasn’t the EU.
Why then and how as an example, have so many engineering companies specialising in agriculture equipment on the island of Ireland north and southbecome so successful over the past thirty year's when the mainland has declined on that sector? It’s hard to fathom to be honest.

I would say that UK govts of all colours have pushed this services and tech idea in order to rebuild the North of England. I think this is a mistake. Manufacturing should be rebuilt at an equal rate after the unions destroyed it in the 70s. Some people are never going to coders or good on the phone or understand finance or law etc. but they have the capability of learning damned good and useful skills which we all need and should not be importing.

 

[czechmate]

So why wouldn't you vote for something if you thought it was the right thing for your grandchildren, even if there may be short term pain? I would and I did. Millions have given their life for the same reason. A few firms clearing off will in itself clear the way for new firms to enter the market. I don't need to see immediate benefits, I want the UK to be on the course I think it should be. All this sneering is just pathetic.

Your a bit spoilt for choice for “pathetic” on this platform.
Do you know, there’s even some out there saying a world wide pandemic is not serious!

 

[capfits]

Bungling Boris at his British exceptionalism best exporting the livelihoods of those that work for UK business to Europe.

So well done again Prime Minister and Lord Frost,well done.

 

[Exfarmer]

I would say that UK govts of all colours have pushed this services and tech idea in order to rebuild the North of England. I think this is a mistake. Manufacturing should be rebuilt at an equal rate after the unions destroyed it in the 70s. Some people are never going to coders or good on the phone or understand finance or law etc. but they have the capability of learning damned good and useful skills which we all need and should not be importing.

We should not excuse our education system , which has rubbished the idea of mechanical engineering as a career, even in my day it was seen as only for the less intelligent.

 

[Pasty]

We should not excuse our education system , which has rubbished the idea of mechanical engineering as a career, even in my day it was seen as only for the less intelligent.

True.

 

[Martin Holden]

We should not excuse our education system , which has rubbished the idea of mechanical engineering as a career, even in my day it was seen as only for the less intelligent.

Indeed. Engineering is the “engine room” of good strong economies

 

[Martin Holden]

I reckon the key reason is that we didn’t have Thatcher. She used a scorched earth policy in industrial England, and built a sacred alter in the city for pinstripe suited financiers.
Ok, there was productivity issues, and union issues, but the solution applied effectively wiped out a lot of small to medium indigenous industries. The young saw the decline, and opted for university and finance type employment.
In ROI the help and support for the indigenous sector, food, engineering, etc, etc, is pretty impressive by any standards. The Irish saw the slow decline in British agriculture equipment manufacturing, and simply moved to fill the gap.

It’s really a good example of the fallacy of Brexit. The Brexit belief that the EU has been the reason for all Britain’s travails, is simply incorrect. The reason lies at the heart of domestic policies. Thatcher, I fear did a lot of short term good, but even more long term damage. Damage that’s hard to reverse.

You over simplify the argument. I don’t think Brexit was won on the basis that the EU is to blame for all our ills! We are quite capable of cocking things up from time to time!

 

[Pasty]

You over simplify the argument. I don’t think Brexit was won on the basis that the EU is to blame for all our ills! We are quite capable of cocking things up from time to time!

No,, it was largely about our own representatives walking us into treaty after treaty without asking us first. This is part of representative democracy but we were never given a voting option in the other direction until Farage came along. He terrified the PM into giving us a chance to vote based on the EU elections. The people expressed their opinion and the rest is history. The final straw was the EU sending Cameron back with his tail between his legs on his final attempt. End game.

 

[Hindsight]

No,, it was largely about our own representatives walking us into treaty after treaty without asking us first. This is part of representative democracy but we were never given a voting option in the other direction until Farage came along. He terrified the PM into giving us a chance to vote based on the EU elections. The people expressed their opinion and the rest is history. The final straw was the EU sending Cameron back with his tail between his legs on his final attempt. End game.

Mostly nasty bit of xenophobic drum and sabre rattling headed up my Farage. Quit nasty. Quite Sad. Trump the same. Simple.

 

[Pasty]

Mostly nasty bit of xenophobic drum and sabre rattling headed up my Farage. Quit nasty. Quite Sad. Trump the same. Simple.

Completely disagree. Decent people voted leave. Decent people voted remain. Leavers are not all gullible racist idiots. There are more gullible people on the left imho which is why they will remain where they are and hope the government takes care of them to the end which is in no way guaranteed.

 

[Henarar]

I reckon the key reason is that we didn’t have Thatcher. She used a scorched earth policy in industrial England, and built a sacred alter in the city for pinstripe suited financiers.
Ok, there was productivity issues, and union issues, but the solution applied effectively wiped out a lot of small to medium indigenous industries. The young saw the decline, and opted for university and finance type employment.
In ROI the help and support for the indigenous sector, food, engineering, etc, etc, is pretty impressive by any standards. The Irish saw the slow decline in British agriculture equipment manufacturing, and simply moved to fill the gap.

It’s really a good example of the fallacy of Brexit. The Brexit belief that the EU has been the reason for all Britain’s travails, is simply incorrect. The reason lies at the heart of domestic policies. Thatcher, I fear did a lot of short term good, but even more long term damage. Damage that’s hard to reverse.

What about Scotland and Wales what did thatcher do for their industry ?

 

[czechmate]

We should not excuse our education system , which has rubbished the idea of mechanical engineering as a career, even in my day it was seen as only for the less intelligent.

My daughter is currently doing a degree in mechanical engineering (such as it is with C19)
As she says, (it’s a hell of a lot of money for a few videos)